Reason Why the Cowboys will Win or Lose

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Yeah well I did not hear all the Redskins fans creaming "character" when Sean Taylor was putting a gun in someones face.

You bring a good point. ST had his moments of transgression, for sure. You might point out as well, that ST was well on his way to complete turn around in the lifestyle toward the positive.
I don't think you can make that case, (at least not for long) as "First" pointed out, these are the good times. When things go a little South, TO will be bangin' the local media with tales of ROmo's encounters and GAYness, romantic getaways with Clay Aiken, etc.
AND, I do not believe JJ puts much stock in character issues ot the lack thereof.
Obviously, Joe and by extension, the Dan do!
I believe JZ does as well.
-balls in your court

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Hog1

You bring a good point. ST had his moments of transgression, for sure. You might point out as well, that ST was well on his way to complete turn around in the lifestyle toward the positive.
I don't think you can make that case, (at least not for long) as "First" pointed out, these are the good times. When things go a little South, TO will be bangin' the local media with tales of ROmo's encounters and GAYness, romantic getaways with Clay Aiken, etc.
AND, I do not believe JJ puts much stock in character issues ot the lack thereof.
Obviously, Joe and by extension, the Dan do!
I believe JZ does as well.
-balls in your court

I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?

TO, Pacman and Tank had no choice but to turn their lifestyles around. This was their last chance and they were smart enough to realize it. Deion probably gets paid by JJ to babysit Pacman as they have become very close.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?

There is a big difference here. ST did something stupid in his youth. He turned it around because of his kid and family. TO did the same thing in Philly that he did in SF. To say he has turned it around will only really apply when the boys do bad and he is still a model citizen. I would be willing to bet if an injury or something happens and the boys started losing, the old TO would show back up. I could be wrong, but I still think he believes it is all about him come the end of the day.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?

I will certainly concede that, to date the Cowboys are making the castoff thing work. I also cannot deny that they are a powerhouse team if not the team this season.
Time will tell for Tank, and Pacman, they're just thugs.
HOWEVER, TO is a special case. He has a Large talent+Gigantic Ego=Perennial Asshole!
With him, meltdown is only a few quarters of imagined disrespect away (on his part) and it's "3 faces of TO"
He'll be callin' out Romo for playin' a little slap and tickle in the showers, etc
He has a repeated history of this stuff

IMPORTANT SAFETY TIP:
It's all about TO. When it's not, meltdown will ensue

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Hog1

HOWEVER, TO is a special case. He has a Large talent+Gigantic Ego=Perennial Asshole!
With him, meltdown is only a few quarters of imagined disrespect away (on his part) and it's "3 faces of TO"
He'll be callin' out Romo for playin' a little slap and tickle in the showers, etc
He has a repeated history of this stuff

IMPORTANT SAFETY TIP:
It's all about TO. When it's not, meltdown will ensue

For 3 years we have been hearing this, and for 3 years it is yet to happen.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

For 3 years we have been hearing this, and for 3 years it is yet to happen.

Are you saying that TO has done nothing in the past 3 years to stroke his ego? You can't be serious. He is happy because they are winning and he keeps his name in the paper. That is not really any test on whether he will blow up.

This is a classic TO line. It is all about him coming thru.

"This is one of the greatest games that I feel like I've played in, just me coming through in the clutch," Owens said afterward.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

For 3 years we have been hearing this, and for 3 years it is yet to happen.

That is.....dorment, not cured

[GMScud]

I'm sure PacMan is suddenly a model citizen. Please. It's called Public Relations. I mean, is it really any surprise PacMan hasn't gotten into any trouble since Jerry Jones signed him? Jerry assigned a staff of four, yes FOUR "security agents" (aka babysitters) to follow PacMan everywhere he goes. Jerry's no idiot. He's knows the dude is a scumbag, but assigning 4 large babysitters to monitor his whereabouts and behavior virtually forces him to stay out of trouble.

There's not a single doubt in my mind that when Jerry was meeting with PacMan he said, "we'll take a chance on you, but here's the list of things you have to do..." And on that list, among other things, was cut your dreads, drop the "PacMan" moniker, give a bunch of money to charity, and let 4 babysitters monitor your behavior.

Ahhh Jerry Jones and his three ring circus. I hope they implode.