A few notes on Ramsey:

[Redskins_P]

[QUOTE=SUNRA]It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity. [QUOTE]


If you don't like mediocrity, then why did you blindly follow Brunell? I'm not trying to bust your balls, but you defended Brunell left and right and nobody really said anything. But then you got guys in here supporting and defending Ramsey and you're always trying to find something negative about him. Let's remember that Ramsey is 25 years old, so of course he's going to make mistakes, of course he's gonna throw some INT's. Give him some time to mature, then judge him.

We all judge Brunell because he's a veteran, and he's a proven player. He's been in the league for over 10 years and unfortunately we got him right when his play was declining. He came in and stunk up the joint. You have to admit that.

Like I said before, I'm not trying to bust your balls. This isn't a personal attack.

[SUNRA]

[QUOTE=Redskins_P][QUOTE=SUNRA]It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity. [QUOTE]


If you don't like mediocrity, then why did you blindly follow Brunell? I'm not trying to bust your balls, but you defended Brunell left and right and nobody really said anything. But then you got guys in here supporting and defending Ramsey and you're always trying to find something negative about him. Let's remember that Ramsey is 25 years old, so of course he's going to make mistakes, of course he's gonna throw some INT's. Give him some time to mature, then judge him.

We all judge Brunell because he's a veteran, and he's a proven player. He's been in the league for over 10 years and unfortunately we got him right when his play was declining. He came in and stunk up the joint. You have to admit that.

Are you serious? I was battling week after week on posts concerning Brunell. There's no truth in that statement at all is it Matty?

I don't think you paid attention to my argument. I am not a Brunell fan. I supported Gibbs's decision to play Brunell because he had no option with Ramsey after the Giants game. While a lot of you criticized Gibbs and questioned his decision, I stayed the course and now you should see and understand by now. Many cried and moaned to get Ramsey in there, and tell me what your emotions were when he threw his first INT or took his first of many sacks or maybe his 6 potential INTs? Take your pick.

How much time should I give Ramsey? 7 games? Or maybe I should overlook this season and just focus on the off-season. Judge Ramsey by the same criteria that you judge Brunell or any other QB. The fact remains that Ramsey hasn't done anything.

[jdlea]

I wasn't trying to say that Ramsey was going to be better than Manning. All I was trying to point out was that Ramsey accomplished a feat by throwing more Touchdowns than picks in his first year as a starter! Manning is the best QB in the league and he couldn't do it. I don't think Ramsey will be better than Manning, but I do think Ramsey will be a good quarterback. If he isn't, I think it is the fault of Steve Spurrier and Joe Gibbs. He has heart and a strong arm. He's inherited a 17 point deficit and a 13 point deficit this season and people on this site have tried to crucify him for throwing picks...well no sh#t he's gonna throw some picks because he's trying to force things to get them back into the game.

Also, it took him a while to get going because he hadn't played in months and he was a slow starter last season, too. That didn't surprise me. All in all, he did get going and didn't play too bad. He'll only get better with time.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I wasn't trying to say that Ramsey was going to be better than Manning. All I was trying to point out was that Ramsey accomplished a feat by throwing more Touchdowns than picks in his first year as a starter! Manning is the best QB in the league and he couldn't do it. I don't think Ramsey will be better than Manning, but I do think Ramsey will be a good quarterback. If he isn't, I think it is the fault of Steve Spurrier and Joe Gibbs. He has heart and a strong arm. He's inherited a 17 point deficit and a 13 point deficit this season and people on this site have tried to crucify him for throwing picks...well no sh#t he's gonna throw some picks because he's trying to force things to get them back into the game.

Also, it took him a while to get going because he hadn't played in months and he was a slow starter last season, too. That didn't surprise me. All in all, he did get going and didn't play too bad. He'll only get better with time.

I understand your what you're trying to say with the Manning comparison.

Here are the numbers for their first 16 starts of their careers:

Ramsey: 296/564, 52.5%, 3705 yards, 23 TD's 17 INT's

Manning: 326/575 56.7%, 3739 yards, 26 TD's 28 INT's

And just for good measure,

Carr: 233/444, 52.5%, 2592 yards, 9 TD's 15 INT's

It's pretty rare for a QB to have more TD's than INT's so early in their career, yet somehow Ramsey has been pegged for being an INT machine lately.

I'd be willing to bet that under different circumstances he wouldn't have even attempted some of the throws that have resulted in INT's for him this year. Problem is he's come in to the game with the team way behind and he's forced some things to try to make things happen.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I understand your what you're trying to say with the Manning comparison.

Here are the numbers for their first 16 starts of their careers:

Ramsey: 296/564, 52.5%, 3705 yards, 23 TD's 17 INT's

Manning: 326/575 56.7%, 3739 yards, 26 TD's 28 INT's

And just for good measure,

Carr: 233/444, 52.5%, 2592 yards, 9 TD's 15 INT's

It's pretty rare for a QB to have more TD's than INT's so early in their career, yet somehow Ramsey has been pegged for being an INT machine lately.




I'd be willing to bet that under different circumstances he wouldn't have even attempted some of the throws that have resulted in INT's for him this year. Problem is he's come in to the game with the team way behind and he's forced some things to try to make things happen.

Thanks Matty..

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I understand your what you're trying to say with the Manning comparison.

Here are the numbers for their first 16 starts of their careers:

Ramsey: 296/564, 52.5%, 3705 yards, 23 TD's 17 INT's

Manning: 326/575 56.7%, 3739 yards, 26 TD's 28 INT's

And just for good measure,

Carr: 233/444, 52.5%, 2592 yards, 9 TD's 15 INT's

It's pretty rare for a QB to have more TD's than INT's so early in their career, yet somehow Ramsey has been pegged for being an INT machine lately.

I'd be willing to bet that under different circumstances he wouldn't have even attempted some of the throws that have resulted in INT's for him this year. Problem is he's come in to the game with the team way behind and he's forced some things to try to make things happen.

It's interesting how you want to use Ramsey's rookie stats to promote his cause. But if I mention his losses compared to his wins in that year, is that blasphemy? Your are as good as the last game you play. Criticize Ramsey's play after the Eagles game the same way Brunell was criticized after each game. Just be fair.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

It's interesting how you want to use Ramsey's rookie stats to promote his cause. But if I mention his losses compared to his wins in that year, is that blasphemy? Your are as good as the last game you play. Criticize Ramsey's play after the Eagles game the same way Brunell was criticized after each game. Just be fair.

Actually those numbers are from his first 16 starts, not just his rookie season.

It's not fair to judge Brunell and Ramsey on the same level.

Brunell is an 11 year vet, Ramsey is 25 and only has limited experience.

Sorry but an 11 year vet is going to be held to a higher standard than someone who will be making just his 17th career start.

[SUNRA]

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Actually those numbers are from his first 16 starts, not just his rookie season.

It's not fair to judge Brunell and Ramsey on the same level.

Brunell is an 11 year vet, Ramsey is 25 and only has limited experience.

Sorry but an 11 year vet is going to be held to a higher standard than someone who will be making just his 17th career start.[/QUOTE

Your record says who you are. If he's a starter he's held to the same standard as a veteran. They don't a have one column for 3 year QB's and another for 11 year veterans.

[Redskins_P]

[QUOTE=SUNRA][QUOTE=Redskins_P][QUOTE=SUNRA]It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity.

Are you serious? I was battling week after week on posts concerning Brunell. There's no truth in that statement at all is it Matty?

I don't think you paid attention to my argument. I am not a Brunell fan. I supported Gibbs's decision to play Brunell because he had no option with Ramsey after the Giants game. While a lot of you criticized Gibbs and questioned his decision, I stayed the course and now you should see and understand by now. Many cried and moaned to get Ramsey in there, and tell me what your emotions were when he threw his first INT or took his first of many sacks or maybe his 6 potential INTs? Take your pick.

How much time should I give Ramsey? 7 games? Or maybe I should overlook this season and just focus on the off-season. Judge Ramsey by the same criteria that you judge Brunell or any other QB. The fact remains that Ramsey hasn't done anything.

I have never once criticized Gibbs. I know you weren't referring to me. I hope you were talking about ZackMills

I'll pick Ramsey....he was way more upside than Brunell or Hasselbeck.