A few notes on Ramsey:

[MTK]

Personally I'm willing to live with some INT's and sacks. That's what happens when you commit to a young QB.

Brunell was totally ineffective and he had his share of turnovers too, so the tradeoff is at least Ramsey can get the ball down the field.

All the great ones take their lumps early in their careers, well except for Roethlisberger but he's the exception.

Unless he just absolutely stinks up the joint for these last 7 games, I'm willing to give him a good part of next season too along with these 7 games to take his lumps.

There's only one way we're going to find out if Ramsey can get it done. And that's to give him an honest shot. He hasn't had that yet, not under Spurrier and definitely not yet with Gibbs. Even Gibbs admits he's thrown him into some really tough situations this season.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally I'm willing to live with some INT's and sacks. That's what happens when you commit to a young QB.

Brunell was totally ineffective and he had his share of turnovers too, so the tradeoff is at least Ramsey can get the ball down the field.

All the great ones take their lumps early in their careers, well except for Roethlisberger but he's the exception.

Unless he just absolutely stinks up the joint for these last 7 games, I'm willing to give him a good part of next season too along with these 7 games to take his lumps.

There's only one way we're going to find out if Ramsey can get it done. And that's to give him an honest shot. He hasn't had that yet, not under Spurrier and definitely not yet with Gibbs. Even Gibbs admits he's thrown him into some really tough situations this season.

As Tre Johnson said on the Redskins show, "Ramsey is paid to come in and give his team a lift when the other QB isn't. It's not a unique phenomenon, to have a QB come in from behind and win a game. I'm not that understanding of turnovers for someone who is not a rookie in the first place. Secondly, a good QB would approach this mid-season change as a way to make Gibbs a believer in him. Ramsey's preparation in practice was questioned by Bugel and I see why. When a reporter asked Ramsey after the game if he thought he would get a chance to play after the consistenly bad performances of Brunell? He actually said, No. I didn't really think I would play. How in the hell did he not think he would get a chance to play? If he thought like that, his preparation in practice was not all that great.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

As Tre Johnson said on the Redskins show, "Ramsey is paid to come in and give his team a lift when the other QB isn't. It's not a unique phenomenon, to have a QB come in from behind and win a game. I'm not that understanding of turnovers for someone who is not a rookie in the first place. Secondly, a good QB would approach this mid-season change as a way to make Gibbs a believer in him. Ramsey's preparation in practice was questioned by Bugel and I see why. When a reporter asked Ramsey after the game if he thought he would get a chance to play after the consistenly bad performances of Brunell? He actually said, No. I didn't really think I would play. How in the hell did he not think he would get a chance to play? If he thought like that, his preparation in practice was not all that great.

His preparation in practice? He only gets 10% of the reps.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

His preparation in practice? He only gets 10% of the reps.

He gets 10% of the reps with the first team or 10% in practice as a whole?

If the first true, he's getting practice with somebody or Bugel would not have made that statement. Look, he's not a baby. If he's practicing with the second team at least he got to throw to McCants . I don't think he still understands the playbook and that has caused a lot of problems for him.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

He gets 10% of the reps with the first team or 10% in practice as a whole?

If the first true, he's getting practice with somebody or Bugel would not have made that statement. Look, he's not a baby. If he's practicing with the second team at least he got to throw to McCants . I don't think he still understands the playbook and that has caused a lot of problems for him.

You could be right, but I thought Gibbs said that Ramsey was a good student of the game and that he studies his film and playbook.

I'm not saying he's a baby, but you want us to be fair with Brunell? Can you be fair with Ramsey?

[jdlea]

I, personally feel bad for Mark Brunell. We all killed him for weeks, announcers killed him and fans at the stadium killed him with criticism and boos. I don't feel bad about it, but I do feel bad for the man. It's not his fault he can't get it done anymore.

You can mention Ramsey's record in 16 starts all you want:

Manning 3-13
Carr 5-11
Ramsey 6-10

And he got knocked out of his last start. That's pretty consistent with other young quarterbacks wouldn't you say?