Liberal Supermajority

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Really? You make it sound all fun and games at plant GM. Honestly though, when you disrespect them in such manner you squander any credibility you have. There's more than meets the eye but why bother with details when you can just toss numbers around without citation. I smell the foul stench of hearsay painted with manure.

Pssst, the average worker salary at GM is not 40-60 dollars an hour as you have state. The average worker's hourly rate is $69 which includes benefits and legacy retiree cost and is expected to go down to $62 in 2010. The actual average take home pay is ~$30 which is comparative to that of Toyota and et al.


Help corporate America, support Universal Health Care.

SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

What does that have to with anything? I could claim to know one person and you would not know if I am telling the truth or lying. I don't need to personally know a GM employee to know the numbers.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

What does that have to with anything? I could claim to know one person and you would not know if I am telling the truth or lying. I don't need to personally know a GM employee to know the numbers.

Well when your talking about how hard they work for their money it helps if you have actually know someone working in an auto plant. I had several friends who worked at the loacal ford plant (now closed) and they will admitt over paid under worked. Yes sometimes they worked their butt off but most of the time they said the job was pretty easy and the longer you are their the easier it got.

[dmek25]

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

[saden1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

Stop it dmek, everyone knows unions are anti-American. It's a communist tactic that will eventually destroy America. Along with the homosexuals and cap-and-trade of course.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

I am not saying that the union wasn't needed at one time, I agree that a lot of the benefits and work environments that industrial America enjoys today is because of unions. At one point in time unions were needed and did a lot for the average worker. I will not deny that, but in my opinion unions do more harm than good. Oh and I have not only been in union plants but I did work in one before. So yes I did experience a union first hand...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

I'm sure your Dad worked very hard and earned what he got.

But....is Hoffa's body really in the end-zone at Giants stadium?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm sure your Dad worked very hard and earned what he got.

But....is Hoffa's body really in the end-zone at Giants stadium?

Don't you watch Mythbuster's?? Of course he isn't. I have always thought they put him under the grassy knoll.

[firstdown]

Well its not hard to see what happens when we get big goverment you just have to turn and look at CA. and the 20 bil in red tape they are now trying to deal with.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Let's not forget, unions usually provide safer working environments and better trained workers.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Let's not forget, unions usually provide safer working environments and better trained workers.

The unions did at one time but in truth thanks to unions, we have the safer working environments today. The government has so many regulations that the need for unions is no longer needed. But I am not so sure of the "better trained workers." In a way the union hinders the training because it only lets people work on 1 thing. For example, let's say you work in maintenance and you need to weld something. At my plant the worker is allowed to weld the parts that need welded. At a union plant that maintenance worker has to call his boss to get a welder, then the welder has to call his boss to see if he is allowed to weld on that piece of equipment. Its just a lot of pissing around when 1 worker could have just done it and its over with. I believe that in non-union plants workers get to expand their career growth. In union plants you are stuck in one career because you may go against union regulations to do a simple task.

Another example of the unions uselessness is a that the union tried to get a friend of mine fired because he was going to school at the time and would stay at his machine during his breaks to work on homework. The union feared that this action made other workers look bad. Tell me that's not messed up...

[dmek25]

8588, if you dont mind, what kind of work are you in?

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by dmek25

8588, if you dont mind, what kind of work are you in?

At my place of employment we produce powder metal parts solely for the automotive industry. I am in charge of 18 different parts that go into BMW'S, Mercedes, VW's, and GM trucks. Our sister company is about 10 miles away from us and they voted a union in about 3 years ago. Myself and my colleagues agree that it is much better to work where we are at rather than at our sister company that has the union.

For example, we are launching a new part for a brand new customer and we transferred a piece of equipment from our sister plant to our plant. We had to get the unions permission to have the maintenance person that worked on the equipment to help set it back up at my factory. Of course the union said no. I mean hell when ever they need help we have no problem sending people over to help out. I mean with the economy doing what its doing and companies failing in the powder metal industry right and left, hell it makes perfect sense that the union would not cooperate...

[Redskins8588]

By the way on NFL network the 1991 Redskins are on...