Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

All good points SS. I see Zorn's playcalling a little differently though: he wasn't near aggressive enough. Sure, call the game like we need to hit them in the mouth, but to not take deep shots until the game is basically over. I know I'm gonna get crapped on but... this felt like Gibbs football all over again.

On to Rogers - he ain't Springs and not even in the same solar system as Bailey. Rogers cannot be our #1 corner beyond this year or we'll never be a contender.

Totally agree on Jansen but the FO bet the farm w/ him this year so we're stuck w/ a gaping hole at RT. We didn't draft shit for the OL and this is the result. (Heyer must not be healthy yet which tells me he's less and less looking like a long term Skin and Rhinehardt has yet to wear a jersey).

The better team won last night. But why in the hell did we draft Thomas if we're not going to try and throw it downfield once or twice? I'm getting so freakin tired of all the 5-6 yards passes. Sure we can beat the Det's and Clev's throwing these little bitch passes but not the good teams. It's annoying watching an NFL team not try and push the ball downfield. Is this the 06 offense??? Pittsburgh threw it downfield and it helped them win the game. WTF Zorn??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The better team won last night. But why in the hell did we draft Thomas if we're not going to try and throw it downfield once or twice? I'm getting so freakin tired of all the 5-6 yards passes. Sure we can beat the Det's and Clev's throwing these little bitch passes but not the good teams. It's annoying watching an NFL team not try and push the ball downfield. Is this the 06 offense??? Pittsburgh threw it downfield and it helped them win the game. WTF Zorn??

I don't know how aggressive an attack we'll see so long as Samuels isn't fully healthy and more importantly Jansen is playing. I mean I hate saying it because of all he's done for the team over the years but Jansen is an absolute liability on the field.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how aggressive an attack we'll see so long as Samuels isn't fully healthy and more importantly Jansen is playing. I mean I hate saying it because of all he's done for the team over the years but Jansen is an absolute liability on the field.

Jansen got owned last night. Woodley just abused him. Fine. But we were sacking their qb's too. Have Portis chip him a few times. Today's rules beg you to throw it downfield so why not do it 2-3 times a game? They got a PI call so why can't we? No excuse for it and I blame Zorn for that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Jansen got owned last night. Woodley just abused him. Fine. But we were sacking their qb's too. Have Portis chip him a few times. Today's rules beg you to throw it downfield so why not do it 2-3 times a game? They got a PI call so why can't we? No excuse for it and I blame Zorn for that.

I don't know for sure, but I got the sense that there were times that Campbell wanted to go deep but suddenly had no choice but to just dump it off asap.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know for sure, but I got the sense that there were times that Campbell wanted to go deep but suddenly had no choice but to just dump it off asap.

The Steelers were crowding the line of scrimmage and playing a three deep zone for most of the game. There was a long pass attempt to Thomas, but the DB had him covered deep. There were several plays where the Steelers sent the house, and you could see that the DB's were already 15-20 yards deep, so Campbell had to take a lot of underneath stuff.

I think they should have done a lot more screens and quick slants to make the Steelers pay for leaving the area between 5-10 yards from scrimmage wide open. Pittsburgh seemed content on stopping the run and the deep ball, which is why the majority of the successful plays the offense had were screens and dumpoffs to Cooley and Portis. If anything, they should have stuck with that.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The better team won last night. But why in the hell did we draft Thomas if we're not going to try and throw it downfield once or twice? I'm getting so freakin tired of all the 5-6 yards passes. Sure we can beat the Det's and Clev's throwing these little bitch passes but not the good teams. It's annoying watching an NFL team not try and push the ball downfield. Is this the 06 offense??? Pittsburgh threw it downfield and it helped them win the game. WTF Zorn??

Cannot disagree w/ this; however, I'm pretty convinced that a more aggressive gameplan would keep us competitive against a team like Pitt. I think the debate is whether it is Zorn or Campbell keeping it so conservative. The piss poor pass protection cannot be the whole story because we've been very conservative even in games where the opposing d was not getting to JC - it's a matter of gameplan...

My buddy thinks JC is avoiding the deep shots and checking down before things can develop down field. Certainly looks that way @ times but don't we all remember last season when Gibbs/Saunders put the games in JC's hands we started taking more shots (before the injury of course). Why would an NFL QB have less confidence about his deep ball than the year before?

That's why I'm more inclined to believe Zorn is keeping things conservative out there. In short, opposing d coordinators have started to figure Zorn out - I think that's why we struggle to put up points against average defenses and can only get into the 20's against the worst defenses in national football. There's something to be said for "running up the score" the way NE did last year or (not surprisingly) the way Philly has against lesser teams this year.

My guess is w/o a new direction on offense we score even fewer points per game from here out and go 3 and 4 or maybe 2 and 5.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Cannot disagree w/ this; however, I'm pretty convinced that a more aggressive gameplan would keep us competitive against a team like Pitt. I think the debate is whether it is Zorn or Campbell keeping it so conservative. The piss poor pass protection cannot be the whole story because we've been very conservative even in games where the opposing d was not getting to JC - it's a matter of gameplan...

My buddy thinks JC is avoiding the deep shots and checking down before things can develop down field. Certainly looks that way @ times but don't we all remember last season when Gibbs/Saunders put the games in JC's hands we started taking more shots (before the injury of course). Why would an NFL QB have less confidence about his deep ball than the year before?

That's why I'm more inclined to believe Zorn is keeping things conservative out there. In short, opposing d coordinators have started to figure Zorn out - I think that's why we struggle to put up points against average defenses and can only get into the 20's against the worst defenses in national football. There's something to be said for "running up the score" the way NE did last year or (not surprisingly) the way Philly has against lesser teams this year.

My guess is w/o a new direction on offense we score even fewer points per game from here out and go 3 and 4 or maybe 2 and 5.

To me it just looks like Zorn is calling a lot of short passes, 3 step drop stuff. And because of this, we're having to have these long drives to score TD's... it's just too tough to consistently do this in the NFL. Do we ever have any 3-4 play drives????

Even though we drafted 3 guys to help us score more points, we're still not doing it. You could argue that this years offense is worse than last years as far as scoring TD's is concerned. I'd really like to see Kelly and Davis get on the field.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To me it just looks like Zorn is calling a lot of short passes, 3 step drop stuff. And because of this, we're having to have these long drives to score TD's... it's just too tough to consistently do this in the NFL. Do we ever have any 3-4 play drives????

We can call it the Midwest offense, but that is how the WCO Zorn wants to run is executed.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by rypper11

We can call it the Midwest offense, but that is how the WCO Zorn wants to run is executed.

Well it's not working. We're not converting 3rd downs and we're not scoring TD's.