Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Morality is not the same thing as sexuality. When people say "You can't legislate morality" what they really mean is "You shouldn't legislate sexuality". But even that is unavoidable. You have to draw the line somewhere.

Change should be organic. The people simply aren't ready. Homosexuals should concentrate on passing laws that don't seem like such a frontal assault on traditions that have been developed over many centuries. Revolutions that don't proceed from a strong popular consensus often have dangerous results. This is the difference between the American Revolution, for instance, and the one they had in France.

While I understand the resistance of the mob I will not accept the notion that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" has to be scheduled. Yes, you have to draw the line somewhere but where the line is drawn has to be based on sound rational and fairness. One should avoid drawing lines with Tom Delay's pencil.

It is desirable that change be organic but matters of importances shouldn't be sat on. Sometimes issues must be forced (i.e. revolution, civil rights, civil war, etc). You have to confront gay marrige head on instead of tip toeing around it. If you don't the masses will simply assume all is well which is not the case. I am sure when we look back at the gay marriage ban thirty years from now we will wonder how people could favor such blatant injustice.

The French Revolution (a first class clusterfuck) is far too complex to compare to any other revolution let alone the American Revolution. Interestingly one of the contributing factors to the demise of Louis XVI was his financial support of the American Revolution at the expense of his countrymen (bankrupted France).

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am sure when we look back at the gay marriage ban thirty years from now we will wonder how people could favor such blatant injustice.

In thirty years, the cultural atmosphere is going to be so debased and rotten that no one will have the perspective to make the comparison. This has already happened in Europe. You have an entire continent of moral idiots completely unable to distinguish between good and evil or recognize when there is danger at their door.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

In thirty years, the cultural atmosphere is going to be so debased and rotten that no one will have the perspective to make the comparison. This has already happened in Europe. You have an entire continent of moral idiots completely unable to distinguish between good and evil or recognize when there is danger at their door.

I don't know man, you're getting into Buster territory there and that's not a place you want to be. Just in case we happen to turn into that god forsaken continent called Europe I hope we still have places like Idaho, Utah, and Alaska left as a shining beacon of what was.

I am curious, what is it about Europe that disables its inhabitants from being able to distinguish good and evil and what is this danger do you speak of?