Execution Sucks!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:21 PM

#1 Gibbs was the guy who went after Brunell so hard. Doesn't he share in the blame for that?

#2 Most of our injuries have affected our defense and our defense is ranked #2 whereas our offense is ranked #31 (in scoring).

#3 Jon Jansen was the only starter out on offense until today (when Thomas got hurt).

#4 If the players aren't executing, as head coach, doesn't Gibbs get some of the blame for that?

#5 Gibbs isn't the sole reason for our record, but he's the head coach. He picked his staff, he chose our roster (i.e. Brunell), and he coaches the players. To absolve him of blame is just wrong.

djnemo65 · 11-21-2004, 10:34 PM

I completely agree with your assessment ramseyfan. I would also add that its not just that the play calling has been at times spotty, but it was today completely inexplicable. i think it was ambrose bierce who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, and that's my attitude towards Gibbs' stubborn playcalling. Playaction passes on first down were sitting there for us to take, especially early, and we kept just plugging Portis up the middle, as if he's Jerome Bettis.

And what hurts me most is the lack of improvement on offense. I thought ramsey did well and made alot of throws that brunell certainly would not have, but there is a larger problem in gameplanning that persists. Also, someone needs to tell Gibbs that third and three is not a running down in today's NFL. How many times this year have we been stuffed in that situation.

Gibbs started 0-5 his first year but rapidly improved after that. We started 1-4, and yet seem no better offensively then we were against Tampa Bay. For me the sparkle of those three past Lombardi trophies has faded, and my attitude is now show me. show me you can move the ball. show me you can adjust your gameplan to what the defense gives you. show me you understand the nuances of todays game.

I'm not trying to lead any witchhunt. I'm just being objective.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

Gibbs started 0-5 his first year but rapidly improved after that. We started 1-4, and yet seem no better offensively then we were against Tampa Bay.
I'm not trying to lead any witchhunt. I'm just being objective.

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

djnemo65 · 11-21-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Yeah, but we have Portis and Coles. Whethere they are as good as riggins and monk is debatable, but i think improvement from week to week is a reasonable expectation.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

Then they need to start executing as such. How many drops have we seen from these receivers this year? I think Portis IS our offense, but even he has dropped many passes. Samuels has been the only consistant I've noticed.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Then they need to start executing as such. How many drops have we seen from these receivers this year? I think Portis IS our offense, but even he has dropped many passes. Samuels has been the only consistant I've noticed.

Coles has one BAD game. I'm not sure if you ever knew this, but he played with a dislocated finger after getting whacked by Roy Williams. If you think Coles is inconsistent then your standards are WAY too high.

Portis had one dropped pass tonight. Again, if that is really bad, I think your standards are too high.

Gardner is the only guy on the team who had too many drops. Nevertheless, Ramsey completed something like 60+% of his passes so its not like the recievers were dropping everything coming their way.

LadyT · 11-21-2004, 10:51 PM

Everyone seems to have a different take on why the offense stinks - mental mistakes, stupid penalties, poor execution, bad playcalling, too conservative.

The one constant in all of this is the coach and his staff. They decided who they wanted on the team (e.g. Brunell), they evaluated the talent and supposedly designed the offense around that talent, they decide who will start, they call the plays . . .

It's also very true that they aren't the ones on the field executing the plays.

But when things are as wrong as they are now with our offense, the coaches have to take a great deal of the blame. When any organization is failing (as our offense is), the responsibility must rest squarely with the top of the organization. This is true no matter what you do for a living.

Top management makes decision and, if those decision prove to be wrong, they must redirect their thinking and change what they are doing. To keep repeating what is obviously not working will only result in more of the same.

For his sake, as well as for the sake of all of us Skins fans, I hope and pray that Coach Gibbs has the foresight and courage to make the major changes in offensive philosophy that I feel are necessary if we are to be successful.

Redskins_P · 11-22-2004, 09:31 AM

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.[/QUOTE

I wouldn't say best. More like overpaid.....

sportscurmudgeon · 11-22-2004, 10:11 AM

gortiz:

When Arizona has both Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on the active roster, their WR corps is much better than the Skins. Boldin is better than ANYONE on the Skins' roster and Fitzgerald is certainly as good as Coles and maybe better.

Would anyone trade the Skins' WRs even-up for the ones on the Colts? If the Skins are so talented, someone might actually think that they'd rather keep the Skins' contingent. That would be a BAD move. Same with the Rams, and the Vikings and the Eagles and the Seahawks and the Patriots and the Chiefs - - and maybe even a few others.

Folks:

Is is POSSIBLE that the game plan to throw the ball short and to throw it quickly was created as a means to keep the Eagles from blitzing the bejeepers out of Patrick Ramsey? You may have noticed that the Eagles blitzed less than half as often as they typically do; maybe that was the offensive game plan's intent???

The players on the field need to be accountable and responsible for yesterday's loss. The score was 14-6 and it was first and goal at the Eagles' ten yardline. Get a TD there and even without a two point conversion, the Skins are in the game. The next sequence of events includes three penalties and two dropped passes. The game plan didn't do that; the coaching staff didn't do that. And then there was a missed field goal.

So onto the field comes the defense. Remember, this is the unit that everyone is raving about now because of its statistical ranking in terms of yards allowed. What the Skins need here is a turnover or at the very least a "three-and-out". Was I hallucinating when I saw the Eagles march down the field and get a TD on a drive of about 65 yards? The game was OVER then and there. And the offensive game plan had nothing to do with that.

By the way, when you talk about "execution", you need also to recognize that there are certain plays and certain times of the game where execution matters more than at other times. Yesterday, the Skins' defense put the Eagles in 15 third down situations. Then they gave up the first down 9 times. That was not the game plan's fault...

CRT3 · 11-22-2004, 10:59 AM

Sportscurmudgeon hit the nail on the head with his comments, EXCELLENT post!!! Let me ask one simple question are we better off with Gibbs today then any of the previous coaches. While this is not a over night fix we have been in every game this year unlike years past. Our offense will come around one game this year or next year then watch out. I refuse to blame refs or injuries for our issues as these happen every year to every team. Our defense has been hit the hardest but still keep on comming. The offense take stime to actually learn the plays and know how to adjust at the line. Peyton Manning is showing what he can do but he has been with his O-coordinator for a long time. So unfortunatly patience should be our virtue here.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

gortiz:

When Arizona has both Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on the active roster, their WR corps is much better than the Skins. Boldin is better than ANYONE on the Skins' roster and Fitzgerald is certainly as good as Coles and maybe better.

Would anyone trade the Skins' WRs even-up for the ones on the Colts? If the Skins are so talented, someone might actually think that they'd rather keep the Skins' contingent. That would be a BAD move. Same with the Rams, and the Vikings and the Eagles and the Seahawks and the Patriots and the Chiefs - - and maybe even a few others.

The Seahawks? Talk about dropped balls, Robinson and Jackson drop more than any other duo in the league.

The Chiefs, you've got to be freaking kidding me. Watch out Pro-Bowlers, Johnnie Morton might join your ranks one day.

The Eagles have a horrible WR corps - Pinkston and Mitchell were complete busts until TO came to Philly.

The Vikings and Rams do have better wideouts than the 'Skins, but then again who can match up against Moss, or Holt & Bruce?

The Patriots don't necessarily have better wideouts, they've got one of the best QBs in the league who could make our grandparents look good.

I don't think I heard a single person say before the season that we needed to upgrade our WR corps, everyone was saying how deep and awesome that unit is.

11-22-2004, 10:11 AM	#10
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	gortiz: When Arizona has both Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on the active roster, their WR corps is much better than the Skins. Boldin is better than ANYONE on the Skins' roster and Fitzgerald is certainly as good as Coles and maybe better. Would anyone trade the Skins' WRs even-up for the ones on the Colts? If the Skins are so talented, someone might actually think that they'd rather keep the Skins' contingent. That would be a BAD move. Same with the Rams, and the Vikings and the Eagles and the Seahawks and the Patriots and the Chiefs - - and maybe even a few others. Folks: Is is POSSIBLE that the game plan to throw the ball short and to throw it quickly was created as a means to keep the Eagles from blitzing the bejeepers out of Patrick Ramsey? You may have noticed that the Eagles blitzed less than half as often as they typically do; maybe that was the offensive game plan's intent??? The players on the field need to be accountable and responsible for yesterday's loss. The score was 14-6 and it was first and goal at the Eagles' ten yardline. Get a TD there and even without a two point conversion, the Skins are in the game. The next sequence of events includes three penalties and two dropped passes. The game plan didn't do that; the coaching staff didn't do that. And then there was a missed field goal. So onto the field comes the defense. Remember, this is the unit that everyone is raving about now because of its statistical ranking in terms of yards allowed. What the Skins need here is a turnover or at the very least a "three-and-out". Was I hallucinating when I saw the Eagles march down the field and get a TD on a drive of about 65 yards? The game was OVER then and there. And the offensive game plan had nothing to do with that. By the way, when you talk about "execution", you need also to recognize that there are certain plays and certain times of the game where execution matters more than at other times. Yesterday, the Skins' defense put the Eagles in 15 third down situations. Then they gave up the first down 9 times. That was not the game plan's fault... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

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11-21-2004, 10:21 PM	#1
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	#1 Gibbs was the guy who went after Brunell so hard. Doesn't he share in the blame for that? #2 Most of our injuries have affected our defense and our defense is ranked #2 whereas our offense is ranked #31 (in scoring). #3 Jon Jansen was the only starter out on offense until today (when Thomas got hurt). #4 If the players aren't executing, as head coach, doesn't Gibbs get some of the blame for that? #5 Gibbs isn't the sole reason for our record, but he's the head coach. He picked his staff, he chose our roster (i.e. Brunell), and he coaches the players. To absolve him of blame is just wrong.

11-21-2004, 10:34 PM	#2
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	I completely agree with your assessment ramseyfan. I would also add that its not just that the play calling has been at times spotty, but it was today completely inexplicable. i think it was ambrose bierce who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, and that's my attitude towards Gibbs' stubborn playcalling. Playaction passes on first down were sitting there for us to take, especially early, and we kept just plugging Portis up the middle, as if he's Jerome Bettis. And what hurts me most is the lack of improvement on offense. I thought ramsey did well and made alot of throws that brunell certainly would not have, but there is a larger problem in gameplanning that persists. Also, someone needs to tell Gibbs that third and three is not a running down in today's NFL. How many times this year have we been stuffed in that situation. Gibbs started 0-5 his first year but rapidly improved after that. We started 1-4, and yet seem no better offensively then we were against Tampa Bay. For me the sparkle of those three past Lombardi trophies has faded, and my attitude is now show me. show me you can move the ball. show me you can adjust your gameplan to what the defense gives you. show me you understand the nuances of todays game. I'm not trying to lead any witchhunt. I'm just being objective.

11-21-2004, 10:51 PM	#8
LadyT Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 219	Everyone seems to have a different take on why the offense stinks - mental mistakes, stupid penalties, poor execution, bad playcalling, too conservative. The one constant in all of this is the coach and his staff. They decided who they wanted on the team (e.g. Brunell), they evaluated the talent and supposedly designed the offense around that talent, they decide who will start, they call the plays . . . It's also very true that they aren't the ones on the field executing the plays. But when things are as wrong as they are now with our offense, the coaches have to take a great deal of the blame. When any organization is failing (as our offense is), the responsibility must rest squarely with the top of the organization. This is true no matter what you do for a living. Top management makes decision and, if those decision prove to be wrong, they must redirect their thinking and change what they are doing. To keep repeating what is obviously not working will only result in more of the same. For his sake, as well as for the sake of all of us Skins fans, I hope and pray that Coach Gibbs has the foresight and courage to make the major changes in offensive philosophy that I feel are necessary if we are to be successful.

11-22-2004, 09:31 AM	#9
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,101	[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk. Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.[/QUOTE I wouldn't say best. More like overpaid.....

11-22-2004, 10:59 AM	#11
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 63 Posts: 795	Sportscurmudgeon hit the nail on the head with his comments, EXCELLENT post!!! Let me ask one simple question are we better off with Gibbs today then any of the previous coaches. While this is not a over night fix we have been in every game this year unlike years past. Our offense will come around one game this year or next year then watch out. I refuse to blame refs or injuries for our issues as these happen every year to every team. Our defense has been hit the hardest but still keep on comming. The offense take stime to actually learn the plays and know how to adjust at the line. Peyton Manning is showing what he can do but he has been with his O-coordinator for a long time. So unfortunatly patience should be our virtue here.

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