Redskins Offense: What's the Problem?

[SouperMeister]

Not using this as an excuse, but how did the line judge miss not one, but two Dallas neutral zone violations? On the 2nd missed call (3rd and 8 at the end of the 3rd quarter), Ware clearly jumped early and was in the neutral zone with the ball was snapped. Jason flipped a pass to Cooley for a minimal gain that set up the punt leading to the game winning Dallas drive. At minimum, the Skins should have had a 3rd and 3 opportunity to maintain possession. Again, not the reason we lost, but is there an easier call in the NFL than the line judge monitoring the neutral zone? I'm stunned that the LJ missed two such calls.

[rstone1979]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Not using this as an excuse, but how did the line judge miss not one, but two Dallas neutral zone violations? On the 2nd missed call (3rd and 8 at the end of the 3rd quarter), Ware clearly jumped early and was in the neutral zone with the ball was snapped. Jason flipped a pass to Cooley for a minimal gain that set up the punt leading to the game winning Dallas drive. At minimum, the Skins should have had a 3rd and 3 opportunity to maintain possession. Again, not the reason we lost, but is there an easier call in the NFL than the line judge monitoring the neutral zone? I'm stunned that the LJ missed two such calls.

I saw that too. There were also quite a few times when the cowgirls were holding and it wasn’t called either. All and all just a bad night for the burgundy and gold

[BrennanBeliever]

Dig route, curl route, slant, flanker screen. How many times are we going to be inundated with these same dysfunctional offencive(the misspelling is intended) philosophies. IT DOES NOT WORK. When Spurrier did it, it didn't work, the same with Turner and Gibbs. The conservative game should only be played with a substantial lead and its primary function is to eat clock, slow the pace of the game, and allow limited touches for your opponent. You don't win with it as the genesis for your weekly gameplan. Now Zorn may exclaim in his press conferences that he intends to stretch the feild and take some shots, but until I see as a chess move and not out of sheer desperation, I'm not buying.

Granted the offensive line are missing blitz blocking assignments and are ripidly eroding when they fall back into pass pro, but we aren't the only team in the nfl that embodies this malignant malfunction. Take the Steelers for example. Their line breaks down all the time but Big Ben still finds a way to make plays, down feild. Campbell just looks more flustered as the season progresses, and this is the time when the great ones normally find their rhythm, and stride. I don't want hear, "Its his first season in this system, be patient he'll come around." Intangibles don't blossom out of the clear blue, they are ingrained and inherent and don't see them.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by BrennanBeliever

Dig route, curl route, slant, flanker screen. How many times are we going to be inundated with these same dysfunctional offencive(the misspelling is intended) philosophies. IT DOES NOT WORK. When Spurrier did it, it didn't work, the same with Turner and Gibbs. The conservative game should only be played with a substantial lead and its primary function is to eat clock, slow the pace of the game, and allow limited touches for your opponent. You don't win with it as the genesis for your weekly gameplan. Now Zorn may exclaim in his press conferences that he intends to stretch the feild and take some shots, but until I see as a chess move and not out of sheer desperation, I'm not buying.

Granted the offensive line are missing blitz blocking assignments and are ripidly eroding when they fall back into pass pro, but we aren't the only team in the nfl that embodies this malignant malfunction. Take the Steelers for example. Their line breaks down all the time but Big Ben still finds a way to make plays, down feild. Campbell just looks more flustered as the season progresses, and this is the time when the great ones normally find their rhythm, and stride. I don't want hear, "Its his first season in this system, be patient he'll come around." Intangibles don't blossom out of the clear blue, they are ingrained and inherent and don't see them.

So are saying Big Ben hasn't look flustered??? Big Ben has hold the ball way longer then JC. JC hasn't made plays under pressure??? Big Ben has had 10 TDs 11 int, and 32 sacks. JC has had 9 TDs, 3 int, and 26 sacks. Steelers pass offense is rank 18 where as the skins is ranked 20. Technically he hasn't done much better than JC this year.

[BrennanBeliever]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

So are saying Big Ben hasn't look flustered??? Big Ben has hold the ball way longer then JC. JC hasn't made plays under pressure??? Big Ben has had 10 TDs 11 int, and 32 sacks. JC has had 9 TDs, 3 int, and 26 sacks. Steelers pass offense is rank 18 where as the skins is ranked 20. Technically he hasn't done much better than JC this year.

I'm not saying that Big Ben has had a flawless season by any scope of the imagination but what I am contending is that he looks more poised in the face of heavy pressure. He looks through the rush and is still finding Holmes running out routes and and Ward over the middle for 10 to 12 yard chunks with relative accuracy. Would I rather have Ben than JC at this point in the season. Absolutely. The game isn't played in the stat column.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BrennanBeliever

I'm not saying that Big Ben has had a flawless season by any scope of the imagination but what I am contending is that he looks more poised in the face of heavy pressure. He looks through the rush and is still finding Holmes running out routes and and Ward over the middle for 10 to 12 yard chunks with relative accuracy. Would I rather have Ben than JC at this point in the season. Absolutely. The game isn't played in the stat column.

Ben is phenominal outside of the pocket, but he doesn't see the field nearly as well as he needs to inside of it. He's like the reverse Tom Brady.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Ben is phenominal outside of the pocket, but he doesn't see the field nearly as well as he needs to inside of it. He's like the reverse Tom Brady.

Great analogy GTripp. Roethlisberger looked lost in the pocket when Blache threw blitzes at him almost every play. The difference with Leftwich was glaring. Byron made his reads and fired in rhythm while the blitz distracted Ben into trying to buy time with his mobility.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by BrennanBeliever

I'm not saying that Big Ben has had a flawless season by any scope of the imagination but what I am contending is that he looks more poised in the face of heavy pressure. He looks through the rush and is still finding Holmes running out routes and and Ward over the middle for 10 to 12 yard chunks with relative accuracy. Would I rather have Ben than JC at this point in the season. Absolutely. The game isn't played in the stat column.

I know the game isn't played in the stat column. My point was Big Ben isn't haven't a good season either. It hard to really compared Big Ben's poise to JC's poise when Ben has been playing longer, has a ring, and has Ward and Holmes as receivers. If JC had Holmes playing along side Moss you wouldn't even doubt JC's abiliity. Big Ben does move around a little better than JC, but JC seems to get rid of the ball a little quicker the Ben this year. Do you really think Big Ben would have done better than JC against a defense that is #1 against the pass and rushing the QB??? Harrison & Co. even had a veteran QB like McNabb looking like a rookie.

[Stacks42]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I know im going to get killed for saying it but...... Maybe Joe Bugel needs to go, not now today, but after this season. for 4-5 years it has been said that the strength of this team is the O-line, but pass protection has been an issue since hes been here.

Look how Russ Grim built the O-line in Arizona and Pittsburg for that matter. Kurt Warner has all day to throw the ball, JC has 2 maybe 3 seconds, thats just crap. Maybe its technique, I just cant believe that this issue cant or hasnt been resolved. The SKins have paid a hefty price for this line and at this point its one of the worst in pass blocking.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I know im going to get killed for saying it but...... Maybe Joe Bugel needs to go, not now today, but after this season. for 4-5 years it has been said that the strength of this team is the O-line, but pass protection has been an issue since hes been here.

Look how Russ Grim built the O-line in Arizona and Pittsburg for that matter. Kurt Warner has all day to throw the ball, JC has 2 maybe 3 seconds, thats just crap. Maybe its technique, I just cant believe that this issue cant or hasnt been resolved. The SKins have paid a hefty price for this line and at this point its one of the worst in pass blocking.

I think our problem this year has been that our line old slow and not very good.

In the past we have had protection problems and I wonder why that is. When these guys were just a little younger they were good talents so I am not exactly sure why we have had consistent pass pro issues for years.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I know im going to get killed for saying it but...... Maybe Joe Bugel needs to go, not now today, but after this season. for 4-5 years it has been said that the strength of this team is the O-line, but pass protection has been an issue since hes been here.
Look how Russ Grim built the O-line in Arizona and Pittsburg for that matter. Kurt Warner has all day to throw the ball, JC has 2 maybe 3 seconds, thats just crap. Maybe its technique, I just cant believe that this issue cant or hasnt been resolved. The SKins have paid a hefty price for this line and at this point its one of the worst in pass blocking.

Why is it Joe Bugel's fault? Do you think he's not coaching them right anymore?

Isn't it more reasonable to see that we have an old offensive line that hasn't been built for the future, with aging players whose performances are deteriorating to their natural state? There's a very fine line between experienced, veteran leadership and old guys who either struggle to stay healthy or just can't play anymore.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Why is it Joe Bugel's fault? Do you think he's not coaching them right anymore?

Isn't it more reasonable to see that we have an old offensive line that hasn't been built for the future, with aging players whose performances are deteriorating to their natural state? There's a very fine line between experienced, veteran leadership and old guys who either struggle to stay healthy or just can't play anymore.

There's always gotta be a fall guy, and for some reason people would rather look at the coaches first than the talent on the field.

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There's always gotta be a fall guy, and for some reason people would rather look at the coaches first than the talent on the field.

Im not making Bugel the fall guy, this isnt like the line just got old. The technique has been bad for years, (remember Ramsey (under gibbs preseason and 1/2 of one game) and Brunell had no time to throw at all? Christ remember the Cowboy game Brunell had no time at all, except the two bombs to Moss. That was basically year one, and the line has not gotten better, they have just gotten older. The Skins dont/and havent had a stout o-line, there are constantly blown assignments, false starts, and the skins cant even pick up a blitz half the time.

To me, that is coaching, recognizing how the other teams defense operates, and then educating the players how to defeat the defense.

[Stacks42]

Also if the strength of the O-line is run blocking... why the hell are we rushing 18 times and throwing 34 times? The skins had the lead and should have run it down their throats, like the Cowboys did when they got the lead.

[#56fanatic]

between the 20's we are able to move the ball, but we can not get scores (capt. obvious!) I am not sure if its lack of size at the receiver position, but there has to be some plays for Devin Thomas, cooley, Fred Davis, someone has to be more of a threat in the redzone. This is getting awful. We have not played well the month and the offense is really looking horrible. Portis has been a monster, but there has to be another threat on the field. Its been a problem all year. We dont score TD's in the redzone.