Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

[53Fan]

I guess Desean Jackson and Eddie Royal never make mental mistakes?

[hail_2_da_skins]

Other than Chris Horton, this draft class is not making an impact this year. None of the 2nd round picks have made an impact. The punter that was drafted was a bust. Tryon and Moore have helped on special teams but nothing more.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Other than Chris Horton, this draft class is not making an impact this year. None of the 2nd round picks have made an impact. The punter that was drafted was a bust. Tryon and Moore have helped on special teams but nothing more.

Well, you never EXPECT rookies to contribute. You need them to learn the ways of the game during their rookie season, and contribute later. Rookies that can contribute are incredibly valuable, and Horton looks like a complete steal.

Thomas' on the field woes are huge causes for concern. Davis and Kelly should pass him by next year. If they don't we have a problem.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, you never EXPECT rookies to contribute. You need them to learn the ways of the game during their rookie season, and contribute later. Rookies that can contribute are incredibly valuable, and Horton looks like a complete steal.

Thomas' on the field woes are huge causes for concern. Davis and Kelly should pass him by next year. If they don't we have a problem.

You do expect high second round picks and the supposed top players at their positions in the draft to be able to get on the field thou. Heck even be able to get on the field and make some catches.

This is why you don't draft receivers, especially 3 of them, with your top picks. They have the most trouble moving to the pros. After Desmond Howard, Westbrook and Gardner you would think we would know that by now. Stick with defensive players and offensive line which we have hit on for the most part with our top picks.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

You do expect high second round picks and the supposed top players at their positions in the draft to be able to get on the field thou. Heck even be able to get on the field and make some catches.

This is why you don't draft receivers, especially 3 of them, with your top picks. They have the most trouble moving to the pros. After Desmond Howard, Westbrook and Gardner you would think we would know that by now. Stick with defensive players and offensive line which we have hit on for the most part with our top picks.

Yeah, you expect them to be able to handle simple tasks when asked to, but so far, we've only had one receiver fail at this.

This Fred Davis thread is important, because at the very least, shouldn't he be getting Devin Thomas' reps when he fails to do simple things like check into the huddle correctly? I understand he doesn't have the downfield speed that caused us to draft Devin Thomas, but I have to think that he can line up and run the hitch at least as effectively right now.

We'll reevaluate where these guys are next year before we say the draft was a total waste.

[LMsexyAO]

Zorn's Issue with Davis Is Lack of Trust - Redskins Insider

This basically sums up Zorn's reasons for keeping Davis on the bench.

[firstdown]

Well if he can't trust the guy after this long then let him go.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well if he can't trust the guy after this long then let him go.

I agree. We've seen Devin Thomas hurt this team on gameday. If Zorn really believes that we're no better off with Davis in there, then it's probably time to give up on it.

I would get him on the field to be sure and see if he can handle it, and if he fails like DT has, there's no reason to force him onto the field next year.

Please, Malcolm Kelly, please be something like what you looked to be in college.

[SouperMeister]

Davis, Thomas, and Kelly need to f'ing wake up. This is the pros now. They are making excellent money to do a job. At least be professional enough to come to camp in condition and dedicate yourselves to learning the offense. This is incredibly discouraging when I see DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal making an impact for their teams from DAY ONE!!!

[53Fan]

Am I suppose to believe that DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal picked up their offenses just like that and Fred Davis and Devin Thomas are taking forever to do the same? Are Philly's and Denver's offenses that much simpler than ours or our guys that much slower to pick things up? Or is it that those teams had a bigger need for a starter right away? Jackson spiked a ball on his way to a touchdown before he crossed the goal-line. Does that instill trust? And yes he did make the catch. It's a whole lot easier to make a catch when you're actually thrown the ball. Do those guys never make mistakes or do their coaches play them knowing they may make mistakes, but they are capable of making big plays also and will learn more by actually participating in the offense? Which players will be further along next year, the ones who have played this year and actually been targeted as part of the game plan, or the ones who will be played and targeted after they prove they won't ever make any mistakes? God forbid anything happen to Moss or Cooley to keep them out of a game, but I do wonder how Davis and Thomas would respond if some of the burden were put on them to make plays.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Am I suppose to believe that DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal picked up their offenses just like that and Fred Davis and Devin Thomas are taking forever to do the same? Are Philly's and Denver's offenses that much simpler than ours or our guys that much slower to pick things up? Or is it that those teams had a bigger need for a starter right away? Jackson spiked a ball on his way to a touchdown before he crossed the goal-line. Does that instill trust? And yes he did make the catch. It's a whole lot easier to make a catch when you're actually thrown the ball. Do those guys never make mistakes or do their coaches play them knowing they may make mistakes, but they are capable of making big plays also and will learn more by actually participating in the offense? Which players will be further along next year, the ones who have played this year and actually been targeted as part of the game plan, or the ones who will be played and targeted after they prove they won't ever make any mistakes? God forbid anything happen to Moss or Cooley to keep them out of a game, but I do wonder how Davis and Thomas would respond if some of the burden were put on them to make plays.

Good post. Sort of curious what would happen if Zorn specifically called out Thomas or Davis to rise to the occasion at this point.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Good post. Sort of curious what would happen if Zorn specifically called out Thomas or Davis to rise to the occasion at this point.

Good point Goat. I wish he would.

[724Skinsfan]

Eddie Royal is a great route runner and got a good jump on the trust factor in weeks 1 & 2 when Marshall was suspended. He stepped up when called upon and quickly ingrained himself in Denver's offense. I wasn't surprised. I wish we had drafted him.

Desean Jackson is a burner who happens to play on a team with no established pass catchers not named Westbrook. He's taken advantage of his opportunity. I''m glad we don't have him since he's an embarrassing punk.

Also, both Cutler and McNabb are in offenses that are very pass-friendly. Both have well over 60+ pass attempts than Jason Campbell. Lastly, Denver and Philly have been using the same offense for a long time. Familiarity breeds confidence. This time next year we should see marked improvement with all of our draft picks. Our pass protection simply sucks right now and will need to be issue #1 this off-season starting with Rabach's dismissal and Jansen's retirement.

[53Fan]

Right. They stepped up WHEN CALLED UPON. Davis is never called upon and Thomas rarely so. That's my point. Our pass protection really sucks. No doubt about it. The reason Moss or Cooley don't have 0 receptions is because they WERE called upon. Even with this dreadful line. It's my opinion that if we don't find a way, to get them involved, it is going to be very hard to be successful.

[SBXVII]

Here's the NFL analysis on Thomas. This sounds way to much like we wrote the analysis. lol. .....

Negatives: Has very good timed speed and is quick into his routes, but needs to do a better job of uncovering and tracking the ball on deep routes (struggles at times to snatch the ball over his outside shoulder)..

...Still learning how to set up defenders and needs to do a better job of sitting down in coverage...Has large hands and good arm reach to extend for the ball, but when he doesn't attack the ball or tries to body catch, most of his drops occur..

Effective cut blocker, but does not play up to his size and strength when blocking in-line (needs to sustain and finish better)..

Might struggle trying to digest a complicated playbook (just adequate with the mental aspect of the game). And needs to do a better job of reading coverages (will run into spots, at times).

With his impressive physique, he could be an inviting target over the middle, as he will not hesitate to mix it up with a defender. However, with his burst and running stride, he can also challenge the deep secondary. He will still need time to develop better pattern running skills, but he has enough in his package to contribute as a rookie.