Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

[SBXVII]

How about Kelly's analysis.....

Negatives: Lacks the short steps and quick feet, but does get good depth in his route progression with his long stride...Perhaps a product of the team's reliance on its ground game, he will disappear for long stretches

...A good blocker, he is basically a non-factor without the ball in his hands...Will usually run crisp routes but he will glide out of his breaks,

...Keeps his head on a swivel to locate the ball, but is more effective as a receiver in the open field, as he does not show the same burst as smaller receivers when catching in the short area

...Not really an explosive player, but does use his body lean and initial contact strike to create separation.


Those were just the negatives of both. They had a lot of positives. We are just not seeing them for whatever reason.

[SBXVII]

Funny Royal sounds so much like Thomas....

...Despite his upper-body strength, he struggles to avoid getting a clean release vs. press coverage, which causes him to get redirected in his routes too often for a player with his power

...An inconsistent route-runner who will drift on deep routes and takes soft-angle cuts when going long distances...Is more effective on controlled and short-area routes, but needs to be more consistent when attempting to plant and drive to gain separation

...Tough player, but will have some concentration lapses, along with a penchant for trapping the ball, leading to a share of dropped balls.

but will get frustrated when he can't escape the jam to get into his route (lets that affect him for several plays, getting take out of his game).

[SBXVII]

how about Jackson....negatives only...

...Has very good speed, but is still a bit raw running routes and must improve his transition a bit..

The rest of his faults are in regards to his size and bulk and how he gets pushed at the line of scrimmage and how he may shy away from the ball when he hears foot steps.

[skinsfan_nn]

You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.

I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.

At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.

I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.

At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.

Well, Yoder shouldn't be on an NFL team, so there's that. I suppose we could do worse than Yoder at No. 2, but it's easy to do better.

Davis is never going to pass Cooley on the depth chart, but it would be nice if we could go base 2 TEs in the post Sellers era. Portis would totally rock in that formation, given that the defense would have one more gap to defend and Portis reads zone blocking as well as any player in the history of the NFL.

Right now though, the only solution is just to have Sellers play more.

[Dirtbag59]

*Gasp* Zorn doesn't trust rookies, and lately Zorn has been less open when it comes to the offense so that means......THAT Zorn doesn't trust himself. I see. The ways of the Freudian slip are strong.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

*Gasp* Zorn doesn't trust rookies, and lately Zorn has been less open when it comes to the offense so that means......THAT Zorn doesn't trust himself. I see. The ways of the Freudian slip are strong.

Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies.

Sounds a lot like Joe Gibbs ;-)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies.

I don't think it's ALL the offensive line, because they've been bad at protecting JC all year and we've overcome that for some pretty impressive victories. My initial impression (and I haven't looked at the tape) is that the difference in the last two weeks is all in how Campbell and Moss are seeing the field.

But if you're are right, and the offensive line has been that much more offensive over the last two games that it's ruining everything Zorn would like to do, I would think he HAS to start benching players like Rabach and Jansen, right? He wouldn't go through the rest of the season just trying to playcall around piss poor talent on the OL, would he?

Because that would get very ugly, very fast. This team would be basically unwatchable for the remainder.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies.

OH, I see now EVERYONE wants to talk about the O-Line. How typical

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.

I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.

At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.

slow learner isn't even the word i was thinking. he must be learning impaired.

[SBXVII]

^ you know Dirtbag....for some weird unknown reason....I understood that. scarey.
Funny but scarey.

[redsk1]

I think we're getting a bit worked up over some rookies that generally take a while to develop. You can question drafting some of them, but i think they deserve a little time before we start jumping all over them.

Davis, from what i can tell, has some serious skills, but he's behind Cooley for good reason. Zorn is a stickler and if he doesn't see things in practice, you're not playing. I would have thought we'd see some two TE sets, w/ CC and Davis on the field together more, but hey, it's not happening for a reason. Zorn pointed this out. By next year we should see some improvements. Let's just hope they get on the field a little to get some experience.

[johnerotten]

if you go by what all 3 have done for the team so far,it's 3 wasted picks.thomas is promising,the other two don't come close to that.

[JLW428]

From what I understand, the main reason Fred Davis has been elusive is because he doen't know the play book yet. This is just what I heard, but if it is true, wouldn't you think someone would have picked up the fact that hes a dumbass before we drafted him?