Redskins Offense: What's the Problem?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

They have to throw those short passes (I call them long handoffs) because if Moss isnt open for anything longer then JC cant find another open receiver. They were hoping for a 2yd pass and a 3 yd RAC instead of a sack or incomplete. I still think JC locks onto the primary receiver and if he's not open then JC gets stuck and the result is a sack or throw away.

I just think it's a bunch of bullshit. Why is Moss running a 2 yard pattern on 4th and 4? I'm not sure if JC is not getting off of his 1st guy. But I'm just sooooooooo damn tired of all these short passes.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just think it's a bunch of bullshit. Why is Moss running a 2 yard pattern on 4th and 4? I'm not sure if JC is not getting off of his 1st guy. But I'm just sooooooooo damn tired of all these short passes.

Like I said, they are hoping for something to happen after the catch. Any longer pass takes too long to develop and if the receiver isnt open than JC doesnt know what to do and seems to get sacked. Better to get 2 yds with the potentail for 2 or 3 more than a sack or incomplete and no chance of getting the yds.

They have to do all these short passes because JC cant look off receivers and throw deep.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

They have to do all these short passes because JC cant look off receivers and throw deep.

Dude, Jason's deep ball is one of the things I love about him. His short to intermediate throws are okay, but his accuracy on the deep ball is fantastic.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Dude, Jason's deep ball is one of the things I love about him. His short to intermediate throws are okay, but his accuracy on the deep ball is fantastic.

When's the last time he's hit a deep ball? If Moss isnt open than there is no deep ball. You are correct about his short and intermediate balls, they are ok at best.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

When's the last time he's hit a deep ball? If Moss isnt open than there is no deep ball. You are correct about his short and intermediate balls, they are ok at best.

JC avoided pressure and hit Moss square in the hands on a beautifully thrown deep ball last night, and Moss just flat dropped it. That's not on Jason.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GMScud

JC avoided pressure and hit Moss square in the hands on a beautifully thrown deep ball last night, and Moss just flat dropped it. That's not on Jason.

I was wondering when was the last time they completed one, not the last time they came close to completing one. I suspect its been awhile.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

I was wondering when was the last time they completed one, not the last time they came close to completing one. I suspect its been awhile.

Your point was that JC can't throw the deep ball. GMScud pointed out that JC threw a beautiful ball to Moss last night. You dismissed it as evidence that JC can throw the deep ball because Moss dropped it. Care to explain that twisted logic? If you think JC's short and intermediate game suck, and his deep ball sucks, then I suppose you think he sucks, right? Or are you just complaining about JC for complaining's sake?

Anyways, it depends on how you define "deep ball." He was throwing very nice deep balls earlier in the season. He hit Moss for a 35 yarder against the Browns, a 50 yarder against the Lions, and several big gains at the Cowboys.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Dude, Jason's deep ball is one of the things I love about him. His short to intermediate throws are okay, but his accuracy on the deep ball is fantastic.

I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.

The big problem is our oline rarely gives him enough time for the play to develop. And the few times he does have a chance, the reciever isn't wide open so Campbell checks down to the short pass. Campbell needs to let it rip once in awhile and trust his receiver to make a play. Look at the pass Romo made to Bennet, he wasn't open but he made a great catch. A rookie on the field making a big time play. Imagine that. lol

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.

Easier said than done. It's not just a matter of choosing to throw the ball downfield. Of course Zorn wants to throw the ball downfield if he can.

But if the line is pass protecting like shit then even if a receiver is getting deep, Campbell is going to check down to a hot or he's just going to throw it away.

And even when the line holds up, a WR has to get separation or Campbell will check it down.

You have to solidify the fundamentals before you can criticize Zorn's play calling. If the line is a seive, you can't blame him for calling 3 and 5 step drops. It all starts up front, and they didn't do their job last night. Ratliff owned Rabach and Randy Thomas. Ware did a good job on Samuels, and Jansen was continually pushed straight back into Campbell.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Easier said than done. It's not just a matter of choosing to throw the ball downfield. Of course Zorn wants to throw the ball downfield if he can.

But if the line is pass protecting like shit then even if a receiver is getting deep, Campbell is going to check down to a hot or he's just going to throw it away.

And even when the line holds up, a WR has to get separation or Campbell will check it down.

You have to solidify the fundamentals before you can criticize Zorn's play calling. If the line is a seive, you can't blame him for calling 3 and 5 step drops. It all starts up front, and they didn't do their job last night. Ratliff owned Rabach and Randy Thomas. Ware did a good job on Samuels, and Jansen was continually pushed straight back into Campbell.

That's why we need to do it on 1st down. I remember once JC found ARE over the middle for 20 on first down. Also sometimes you just need to throw and try and make a play. I think the play that pissed me off the most was when Dallas' 2nd string TE made a play even though Horton had him covered. Sometimes you just have to throw it down there and either let your guy make a play or get a PI. Also maybe Zorn needs to adjust. Max protect of start rolling JC out some more. Yes the protection was bad but I didn't see us adjusting to what Dallas was doing.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just think it's a bunch of bullshit. Why is Moss running a 2 yard pattern on 4th and 4? I'm not sure if JC is not getting off of his 1st guy. But I'm just sooooooooo damn tired of all these short passes.

Yep, this garbage reminds me of Martyball in 2001, where we mastered the 5 yard completion on 3rd and 6.