Execution Sucks!

gortiz · 11-21-2004, 11:20 PM

We might not have the best WR corps in the league, but please man, we are better then the Bills...., Arizona, Cincy, and the Giants.....those teams look like freaking offensive machines compared to us....

offiss · 11-21-2004, 11:25 PM

Is this thread about the offenses execution? Because if it is im in favor of it!

John Mckay you had to love him!

SmootSmack · 11-21-2004, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offiss

Is this thread about the offenses execution? Because if it is im in favor of it!

John Mckay you had to love him!

LOL. that's great

That Guy · 11-22-2004, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't really care if no one seconds that opinion..that is my opinion. The conservative play calling got us down the field in the first half just fine and kept the Eagles' O off the field. Wouldn't you want the Eagles' O off the field as much as possible?

actually iggles penalties kept that drive alive

seriously, if you think players need to play perfect games and never drop balls ever, than its time for a reality check... no RB consistantly hits 60+ yarders... the better speed backs might get 5-6 of those in a season... but we have no deep threat to get portis past the line and into open field to work.

Since we have nothing to lose, gibbs should seriously experiment, try deep passing, try shotgun, try 5 WR sets, try anything he can so we don't suck so horribly next year...

Redskins_P · 11-22-2004, 09:31 AM

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.[/QUOTE

I wouldn't say best. More like overpaid.....

sportscurmudgeon · 11-22-2004, 10:11 AM

gortiz:

When Arizona has both Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on the active roster, their WR corps is much better than the Skins. Boldin is better than ANYONE on the Skins' roster and Fitzgerald is certainly as good as Coles and maybe better.

Would anyone trade the Skins' WRs even-up for the ones on the Colts? If the Skins are so talented, someone might actually think that they'd rather keep the Skins' contingent. That would be a BAD move. Same with the Rams, and the Vikings and the Eagles and the Seahawks and the Patriots and the Chiefs - - and maybe even a few others.

Folks:

Is is POSSIBLE that the game plan to throw the ball short and to throw it quickly was created as a means to keep the Eagles from blitzing the bejeepers out of Patrick Ramsey? You may have noticed that the Eagles blitzed less than half as often as they typically do; maybe that was the offensive game plan's intent???

The players on the field need to be accountable and responsible for yesterday's loss. The score was 14-6 and it was first and goal at the Eagles' ten yardline. Get a TD there and even without a two point conversion, the Skins are in the game. The next sequence of events includes three penalties and two dropped passes. The game plan didn't do that; the coaching staff didn't do that. And then there was a missed field goal.

So onto the field comes the defense. Remember, this is the unit that everyone is raving about now because of its statistical ranking in terms of yards allowed. What the Skins need here is a turnover or at the very least a "three-and-out". Was I hallucinating when I saw the Eagles march down the field and get a TD on a drive of about 65 yards? The game was OVER then and there. And the offensive game plan had nothing to do with that.

By the way, when you talk about "execution", you need also to recognize that there are certain plays and certain times of the game where execution matters more than at other times. Yesterday, the Skins' defense put the Eagles in 15 third down situations. Then they gave up the first down 9 times. That was not the game plan's fault...

CRT3 · 11-22-2004, 10:59 AM

Sportscurmudgeon hit the nail on the head with his comments, EXCELLENT post!!! Let me ask one simple question are we better off with Gibbs today then any of the previous coaches. While this is not a over night fix we have been in every game this year unlike years past. Our offense will come around one game this year or next year then watch out. I refuse to blame refs or injuries for our issues as these happen every year to every team. Our defense has been hit the hardest but still keep on comming. The offense take stime to actually learn the plays and know how to adjust at the line. Peyton Manning is showing what he can do but he has been with his O-coordinator for a long time. So unfortunatly patience should be our virtue here.

offiss · 11-22-2004, 01:12 PM

I can't buy that anology, reason? They did have players up on the line of scrimmage how many of those quick reciever screen's did they just mis picking off? We just threw it out before they could really get up field, regardless if their bringing the blitz package you look for 1 on 1 matchup's downfield, and hit draw's and screen's, if they don't we should be able to run, and throw short passes but to say we had a short passing game yesterday is an understatment we threw 80% of our passes parallel to the line of scrimmage so we didn't have any kind of passing game plan IMO, obviously whatever Gibb's intent it wasen't working, our offensive game plan did affect us late in the game, against a team like philli you have to control the ball and keep there offense off the field, how demoralizing do you think it is for a defense to have to constantly look at an offense that no matter what can't score a TD? Eventually your going to start feeling no matter what you do your going to lose because you can't score, this offense makes the Raven's look like a juggernaut, if the game plan is to throw short and it's not working you have to change that's football, it's all about adjusting we were going to lose the way we were going you have to take your shot's down field, it almost look's like to me that Gibb's would rather lose and have no turnover's, than win with a couple of INT's, I feel I am still watching SS coach this team all we can do is WR screen's

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

gortiz:

When Arizona has both Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on the active roster, their WR corps is much better than the Skins. Boldin is better than ANYONE on the Skins' roster and Fitzgerald is certainly as good as Coles and maybe better.

Would anyone trade the Skins' WRs even-up for the ones on the Colts? If the Skins are so talented, someone might actually think that they'd rather keep the Skins' contingent. That would be a BAD move. Same with the Rams, and the Vikings and the Eagles and the Seahawks and the Patriots and the Chiefs - - and maybe even a few others.

The Seahawks? Talk about dropped balls, Robinson and Jackson drop more than any other duo in the league.

The Chiefs, you've got to be freaking kidding me. Watch out Pro-Bowlers, Johnnie Morton might join your ranks one day.

The Eagles have a horrible WR corps - Pinkston and Mitchell were complete busts until TO came to Philly.

The Vikings and Rams do have better wideouts than the 'Skins, but then again who can match up against Moss, or Holt & Bruce?

The Patriots don't necessarily have better wideouts, they've got one of the best QBs in the league who could make our grandparents look good.

I don't think I heard a single person say before the season that we needed to upgrade our WR corps, everyone was saying how deep and awesome that unit is.

SmootSmack · 11-22-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

The Seahawks? Talk about dropped balls, Robinson and Jackson drop more than any other duo in the league.

The Chiefs, you've got to be freaking kidding me. Watch out Pro-Bowlers, Johnnie Morton might join your ranks one day.

The Eagles have a horrible WR corps - Pinkston and Mitchell were complete busts until TO came to Philly.

The Vikings and Rams do have better wideouts than the 'Skins, but then again who can match up against Moss, or Holt & Bruce?

The Patriots don't necessarily have better wideouts, they've got one of the best QBs in the league who could make our grandparents look good.

I don't think I heard a single person say before the season that we needed to upgrade our WR corps, everyone was saying how deep and awesome that unit is.

I agree 100% RF, and I'm happy with our receiver corps.

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

actually iggles penalties kept that drive alive

seriously, if you think players need to play perfect games and never drop balls ever, than its time for a reality check... no RB consistantly hits 60+ yarders...
Since we have nothing to lose, gibbs should seriously experiment, try deep passing, try shotgun, try 5 WR sets, try anything he can so we don't suck so horribly next year...

Of course I am exaggerating about the 60+, but my point is when our running game doesn't even hit 50 yards, you cannot expect to win, hows that for a reality check? No, I do not think players need to play perfect games and never drop balls ever, I do not recall stating such. What I am saying is that the receivers need to stop dropping the passes that hit them between the numbers or right in their hands...these guys get paid big $$$ to play football, I'm not giving them a free pass to be lazy.

VTSkins897 · 11-22-2004, 05:12 PM

so one drive of HORRIBLE execution. that was supposed to be the initial improvement by gibbs even before the games started. no penalties, mental errors, etc. so while not directly on gibbs, it's still on him in the long-run. and even one of our meager drives was solely bc of gifts by the refs/eagles... though our pathetic game planning couldnt even give us 7 from that gift... 3 pts as per usual... one drive of penalties, heck one game of penalties cannot exhonerate 10 games of the worst offense ive seen in years.

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 06:15 PM

I am not talking about one game I'm talking the season as a whole with execution. If it was just one game that we didn't execute, there would be no discussion. Furthermore, I didn't even get to watch the whole game and there was more than just one drive of HORRIBLE execution.

VTSkins897 · 11-22-2004, 07:30 PM

ok fine. it was one drive totally destroyed by penalties and mental errors. sure they havent been the sharpest. but you dont get to be 32nd in the league, with our kind of players, strictly because of poor execution. it might just be that what theyre trying to execute is just not working. the majority of this bottom-feeding offense is on JG.

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 07:54 PM

Well again, as I've said in other posts, it isn't one thing that is the problem...I posted this thread because I got tired of all the Gibbs bashing treads....sure Gibbs has blame in it..but it's not completely ON Gibbs either...

11-22-2004, 10:11 AM	#36
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	gortiz: When Arizona has both Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on the active roster, their WR corps is much better than the Skins. Boldin is better than ANYONE on the Skins' roster and Fitzgerald is certainly as good as Coles and maybe better. Would anyone trade the Skins' WRs even-up for the ones on the Colts? If the Skins are so talented, someone might actually think that they'd rather keep the Skins' contingent. That would be a BAD move. Same with the Rams, and the Vikings and the Eagles and the Seahawks and the Patriots and the Chiefs - - and maybe even a few others. Folks: Is is POSSIBLE that the game plan to throw the ball short and to throw it quickly was created as a means to keep the Eagles from blitzing the bejeepers out of Patrick Ramsey? You may have noticed that the Eagles blitzed less than half as often as they typically do; maybe that was the offensive game plan's intent??? The players on the field need to be accountable and responsible for yesterday's loss. The score was 14-6 and it was first and goal at the Eagles' ten yardline. Get a TD there and even without a two point conversion, the Skins are in the game. The next sequence of events includes three penalties and two dropped passes. The game plan didn't do that; the coaching staff didn't do that. And then there was a missed field goal. So onto the field comes the defense. Remember, this is the unit that everyone is raving about now because of its statistical ranking in terms of yards allowed. What the Skins need here is a turnover or at the very least a "three-and-out". Was I hallucinating when I saw the Eagles march down the field and get a TD on a drive of about 65 yards? The game was OVER then and there. And the offensive game plan had nothing to do with that. By the way, when you talk about "execution", you need also to recognize that there are certain plays and certain times of the game where execution matters more than at other times. Yesterday, the Skins' defense put the Eagles in 15 third down situations. Then they gave up the first down 9 times. That was not the game plan's fault... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

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11-21-2004, 11:20 PM	#31
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	We might not have the best WR corps in the league, but please man, we are better then the Bills...., Arizona, Cincy, and the Giants.....those teams look like freaking offensive machines compared to us....

11-21-2004, 11:25 PM	#32
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 62 Posts: 3,097	Is this thread about the offenses execution? Because if it is im in favor of it! John Mckay you had to love him!

11-22-2004, 09:31 AM	#35
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,101	[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk. Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.[/QUOTE I wouldn't say best. More like overpaid.....

11-22-2004, 10:59 AM	#37
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 63 Posts: 795	Sportscurmudgeon hit the nail on the head with his comments, EXCELLENT post!!! Let me ask one simple question are we better off with Gibbs today then any of the previous coaches. While this is not a over night fix we have been in every game this year unlike years past. Our offense will come around one game this year or next year then watch out. I refuse to blame refs or injuries for our issues as these happen every year to every team. Our defense has been hit the hardest but still keep on comming. The offense take stime to actually learn the plays and know how to adjust at the line. Peyton Manning is showing what he can do but he has been with his O-coordinator for a long time. So unfortunatly patience should be our virtue here.

11-22-2004, 01:12 PM	#38
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 62 Posts: 3,097	I can't buy that anology, reason? They did have players up on the line of scrimmage how many of those quick reciever screen's did they just mis picking off? We just threw it out before they could really get up field, regardless if their bringing the blitz package you look for 1 on 1 matchup's downfield, and hit draw's and screen's, if they don't we should be able to run, and throw short passes but to say we had a short passing game yesterday is an understatment we threw 80% of our passes parallel to the line of scrimmage so we didn't have any kind of passing game plan IMO, obviously whatever Gibb's intent it wasen't working, our offensive game plan did affect us late in the game, against a team like philli you have to control the ball and keep there offense off the field, how demoralizing do you think it is for a defense to have to constantly look at an offense that no matter what can't score a TD? Eventually your going to start feeling no matter what you do your going to lose because you can't score, this offense makes the Raven's look like a juggernaut, if the game plan is to throw short and it's not working you have to change that's football, it's all about adjusting we were going to lose the way we were going you have to take your shot's down field, it almost look's like to me that Gibb's would rather lose and have no turnover's, than win with a couple of INT's, I feel I am still watching SS coach this team all we can do is WR screen's

11-22-2004, 05:12 PM	#42
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 43 Posts: 890	so one drive of HORRIBLE execution. that was supposed to be the initial improvement by gibbs even before the games started. no penalties, mental errors, etc. so while not directly on gibbs, it's still on him in the long-run. and even one of our meager drives was solely bc of gifts by the refs/eagles... though our pathetic game planning couldnt even give us 7 from that gift... 3 pts as per usual... one drive of penalties, heck one game of penalties cannot exhonerate 10 games of the worst offense ive seen in years.

11-22-2004, 06:15 PM	#43
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I am not talking about one game I'm talking the season as a whole with execution. If it was just one game that we didn't execute, there would be no discussion. Furthermore, I didn't even get to watch the whole game and there was more than just one drive of HORRIBLE execution.

11-22-2004, 07:30 PM	#44
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 43 Posts: 890	ok fine. it was one drive totally destroyed by penalties and mental errors. sure they havent been the sharpest. but you dont get to be 32nd in the league, with our kind of players, strictly because of poor execution. it might just be that what theyre trying to execute is just not working. the majority of this bottom-feeding offense is on JG.

11-22-2004, 07:54 PM	#45
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Well again, as I've said in other posts, it isn't one thing that is the problem...I posted this thread because I got tired of all the Gibbs bashing treads....sure Gibbs has blame in it..but it's not completely ON Gibbs either...

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