Will we force Eli to beat us?

[Giantone]

Eli has never won a game in the NFL,never! The Giants as a team have,Eli is only part of it and he can't and won't do it by himself so this "Eli has to beat us" .....junk is funny.People who believe that just don't understand the game of football.Eli would love to just hand it off all day long...let the running game and the O'line take over ,keep your D on the field for over 12 mins on a drive ...wear them down,that is not done by just one man.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Eli has never won a game in the NFL,never! The Giants as a team have,Eli is only part of it and he can't and won't do it by himself so this "Eli has to beat us" .....junk is funny.People who believe that just don't understand the game of football.Eli would love to just hand it off all day long...let the running game and the O'line take over ,keep your D on the field for over 12 mins on a drive ...wear them down,that is not done by just one man.

I do recall a play in the super bowl last year that Eli made that won the game for you. Eli is more than capable of winning games if he needs to, its just that the Giants run game and defense has been so dominant there hasn't been any need for him to put the team on his shoulders and carry them. I was no big Eli fan (still not) but the kid has grown up tremedously the last year and half and seems very capable of being "the guy".

[#56fanatic]

on our strategy coming up sunday. I think Blache will put more people in the box and let the corners play more cover 1, cover 0. Alot of run blitzing, and we'll see Jason Taylor more as an OLB this week given the injuries we have. Evans will more than likely play DE the majority of the game to give more run support since we all know Taylor stinks in the run game. I sure hope London can suit up and contribute sunday. With out him, I am not sure we'll be able to get off the field defensively.

Offensively - we have to come out with some aggression and attack. Max protect and let the receivers go get the ball. Hopefully this will take the Giants out of that aggressive attacking the QB mode. I look for Cooley to have a big game if they continue to blitz as often as they do. I am hoping for a couple of those quick slants to turn into big plays and hopefully hit Kelly a few times deep.
We are NOT suppose to win this game so we really should go out with nothing to lose and just attack early. If we can play with a lead, Greg may be more inclined to send the house at Eli and force some INT's.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

on our strategy coming up sunday. I think Blache will put more people in the box and let the corners play more cover 1, cover 0. Alot of run blitzing, and we'll see Jason Taylor more as an OLB this week given the injuries we have. Evans will more than likely play DE the majority of the game to give more run support since we all know Taylor stinks in the run game. I sure hope London can suit up and contribute sunday. With out him, I am not sure we'll be able to get off the field defensively.

Offensively - we have to come out with some aggression and attack. Max protect and let the receivers go get the ball. Hopefully this will take the Giants out of that aggressive attacking the QB mode. I look for Cooley to have a big game if they continue to blitz as often as they do. I am hoping for a couple of those quick slants to turn into big plays and hopefully hit Kelly a few times deep.
We are NOT suppose to win this game so we really should go out with nothing to lose and just attack early. If we can play with a lead, Greg may be more inclined to send the house at Eli and force some INT's.

Great Post. I hope JZ and GB read this!! Seems like the absolute road map for us to steal a win.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Great Post. I hope JZ and GB read this!! Seems like the absolute road map for us to steal a win.

I hear a bit of sarcasim.......

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I hear a bit of sarcasim.......

NO I was dead serious on this. I really thought you laid out our best chance on both sides of the ball. again Great Post.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

NO I was dead serious on this. I really thought you laid out our best chance on both sides of the ball. again Great Post.

thanks.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I do recall a play in the super bowl last year that Eli made that won the game for you. Eli is more than capable of winning games if he needs to, its just that the Giants run game and defense has been so dominant there hasn't been any need for him to put the team on his shoulders and carry them. I was no big Eli fan (still not) but the kid has grown up tremedously the last year and half and seems very capable of being "the guy".

Did Eli catch the ball,it takes a team.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Did Eli catch the ball,it takes a team.

You're taking the title of this thread too literally. Obviously no single player wins a football game by themselves (unless you put a helmet and pads on Chuck Norris). Of course it takes a team. By "forcing Eli to beat us," he means should we focus primarily on stuffing the run, thereby forcing the Giants to throw more than normal. You're splitting hairs.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You're taking the title of this thread too literally. Obviously no single player wins a football game by themselves (unless you put a helmet and pads on Chuck Norris). Of course it takes a team. By "forcing Eli to beat us," he means should we focus primarily on stuffing the run, thereby forcing the Giants to throw more than normal. You're splitting hairs.

Which runner are you going to stop and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass........... and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Which runner are you going to stop and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass........... and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.

Well, unless you plan on playing all 3 RB's at once, I would guess we would focus on stopping who ever is in the backfield. As far as stopping the pass, I think our corners and safeties match up fairly well, especially with springs back in the line up, which he wasn't the first go round. This will be a very physical game, and honestly is going to take the best game of our season to win. I guess the point was trying to be made, that if we can make you more one deminsional and have Eli throwing 40+ times a game then we stand a better chance of getting the upset than we would if you ran the ball 30+ times.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Which runner are you going to stop and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass........... and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.

I do get a little tired of assumption behind your statement; which I believe is, if a defense can stop Jacobs then one of the other two would step up. I don't believe that's the case against the Skins. When we focus on stopping a running attack, we stop can stop it regardless of which back is in. And remember, your 3 backs combined average only about 30 yds more per game than ours combined. Pure and simple stat wise what has made your team the better team this year is your ability to end drives with TDs. That is what we are missing. We probably will hold your running game in check. (note by in check, I mean you will probably have a total of 90-130 yds rushing all told.) and you will probably hold ours in check. So then the game goes back on the quarterback's shoulders which is what the starter of the thread was really asking.

One significant difference, at least as of today, is Shawn Springs will be back in the line up.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I do get a little tired of assumption behind your statement; which I believe is, if a defense can stop Jacobs then one of the other two would step up. I don't believe that's the case against the Skins. When we focus on stopping a running attack, we stop can stop it regardless of which back is in. And remember, your 3 backs combined average only about 30 yds more per game than ours combined. Pure and simple stat wise what has made your team the better team this year is your ability to end drives with TDs. That is what we are missing. We probably will hold your running game in check. (note by in check, I mean you will probably have a total of 90-130 yds rushing all told.) and you will probably hold ours in check. So then the game goes back on the quarterback's shoulders which is what the starter of the thread was really asking.

One significant difference, at least as of today, is Shawn Springs will be back in the line up.

Got it wrong,the point of the post was to point out that the Giants are a team no one person is resposable for their succsess or failure.The Giants don't have just one superstar, they have a bunch of football players.
You should never ASSUME.I know the Redskins have a team that can beat the Giants in this game, in more then one post I have said as much.This was to the point that ...we must make "ELI beat us".

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Which runner are you going to stop and if you do then which reciever do you stop and then will you stop our pass rush,splitting hairs ...no ,just looking at things realalisticly.When you say you stop the run in the case of the Skins that would be Portis and the pass would be Moss and Cooly.The Giants have 3 running backs and 5 recievers plus Boss....Moss,Hixon,Toomer,Smith,Burrass........... and a very good Fullback Hedgecock.

This is jibberish mostly.
CRedskinsRule and 56Fanatic pretty much summed it up in their responses to your post.

Did you really just drop Sinorice Moss' name? That's funny. He has I believe ONE career TD? Yeah, we're terrified of Old Amani, Special Teams Hixon, and half the player his brother is Moss. The only receiver who is a real threat other than Burress IMO is Steve Smith.

Again, you're taking the title of the thread way to literally.:frusty:

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Did Eli catch the ball,it takes a team.

seriously, I can't believe you are down playing the play that eli made. Had he not made a tremendous effort to avoid getting sacked and the ability to see Tyree open, you wouldn't have been celebrating a super bowl. Do you not like Eli?