What's Wrong with the Redskins?

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I haven't heard anyone say they hate the Skins. We're playing like dog shit. It's totally valid to hate some aspects of our play and be critical about what's going on.

I like a lot of our players, but I HATE what I'm seeing on the field for the most part.

I hate the fact that our front office has an aversion to drafting offensive or defensive lineman. Second, I really hate the fact that our front office can watch game in and game out opposing QBs with anywhere betwen6 and 9 seconds of pocket time with no pressure, yet, they feel no need to draft a young pass rushing DE that could hammer down a spot for a decade. Thats what IO hate! Again, this is an aversion, 5 to 7 years int he making.

[47FAN]

i understand

[47FAN]

i agree. maybe out of context. let jason run the same offense for a year or two before you want to bench him. if colt comes in chances are you will be in the same situation for a year or two.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

i agree. maybe out of context. let jason run the same offense for a year or two before you want to bench him. if colt comes in chances are you will be in the same situation for a year or two.

I agree that Jason gets this entire season to show us his talent (his fourth year). I even agree that [assuming we don't get to the playoffs this year] that he gets half of next season. However, no NFL QB gets 6 seasons to prove their worth. In fact few if any NFL players gets that long. Win, score points, get to the playoffs and you're the hero. Otherwise you're on another team as the #2 QB trying to show you've still got the goods. That's the way it is in the NFL.

You've got to remember that the coaches live and die with the QB. Zorn's long-term future is connected to winning. Not waiting to see if JC can become an elite QB who can win games for the team. I hope he makes it but question his long-term viability every game when we score less than 10 points.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

I agree that Jason gets this entire season to show us his talent (his fourth year). I even agree that [assuming we don't get a playoff year] that he gets half of next season. However, no NFL QB gets 6 seasons to prove their worth. In fact few if any NFL players gets that long. Win, score points, get to the playoffs and you're the hero. Otherwise you're on another team as the #2 QB trying to show you've still got the goods. That's the way it is in the NFL.

You've got to remember that the coaches live and die with the QB. Zorn's long-term future is connected to winning. Not waiting to see if JC can become an elite QB who can win games for the team. I hope he makes it but question his long-term viability every game when we score less than 10 points.

I agree, but only because that will be his second season in the same offense. Otherwise, not so much because of all the change he has endured.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

I agree, but only because that will be his second season in the same offense. Otherwise, not so much because of all the change he has endured.

As Zorn said when asked about the number of offenses JC has had to learn [over the last 7 years], "get over it". You win games as a QB, score points - with your arm, or you're on another team. At the end of next year JC's contract is up. Either he's the one or he's not.

I hear lots of excuses for JC but hear nothing about his throwing into triple coverage today, underthrowing open WR's today, holding the ball too long instead of throwing it away, today, etc, etc. Winners find a way to win. Without Clinton Portis having an MVP year, this offense wouldn't be scoring even the low amounts it is now. Without this defense holding down the score we'd be a bad team. I hope JC makes it for the long haul but ppl make too many excuses for a QB in his fourth season.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

As Zorn said when asked about the number of offenses JC has had to learn [over the last 7 years]. "get over it". You win games as a QB, score points - with your arm, or you're on another team. At the end of next year JC's contract is up. Either he's the one or he's not.

I agree that either JC is "the one or he's not," but I otherwise disagree with your post. You absolutely have to consider what JC is working with. You can't evaluate a QB without looking at the scheme, the receivers, the backs, and the line. Players' careers are made or broken by their surroundings (e.g., compare Randy Moss in 2006 and 2007).

[A10sROCK]

To the poster who said: "bring back Norv". The guy had .45 seasons with three different teams, including seven years with the Redskins. He's driving the Chargers into oblivion. Still in love with his being an OC for the Cowgirls back in the early 1990's?

Zorn will probably be 9-7 or 10-6 at the end of his ROOKIE season. This beats .45 win/loss of Norv (seven seasons), .500 for Schotty (1 season), .45 for the Gator Coach (2 seasons) and .45 for Gibbs II ( 4 seasons).

What's the beef with Zorn? I agree he will probably bring in a new OC for next year if the offense continues to under perform.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

To the poster who said: "bring back Norv". The guy had .45 seasons with three different teams, including seven years with the Redskins. He's driving the Chargers into oblivion. Still in love with his being an OC for the Cowgirls back in the early 1990's?

Zorn will probably be 9-7 or 10-6 at the end of his ROOKIE season. This beats .45 win/loss of Norv (seven seasons), .500 for Schotty (1 season), .45 for the Gator Coach (2 seasons) and .45 for Gibbs II ( 4 seasons).

What's the beef with Zorn? I agree he will probably bring in a new OC for next year if the offense continues to under perform.

Dude it is sort of an inside joke about bringing in Norv as the OC next year. I was BSing with Goat in another thread about how we could get Norv back once the Chargers can his ass. The whole thing is a joke, but might not be so crazy given the anemic offense we have. I have nothing against Zorny at all, but I think the talent we have with our passing offense(QB and Wrs) was brought in to be more geared towards Gibbs style of passing attack. Zorn either has to clean some house in the offseason or tweak his system and get new linemen of course!!!!!

[SFREDSKIN]

Speaking of Norv and the Chargers. If I was the Chargers after giving Norv his walking papers, I hire Cam Cameron in a heartbeat. Look at the job he's done with Baltimore and say what you will about his experience in Miami, this guy can coach.

[GusFrerotte]

[quote=A10sROCK;505894]I agree that Jason gets this entire season to show us his talent (his fourth year). I even agree that [assuming we don't get to the playoffs this year] that he gets half of next season. However, no NFL QB gets 6 seasons to prove their worth. In fact few if any NFL players gets that long. Win, score points, get to the playoffs and you're the hero. Otherwise you're on another team as the #2 QB trying to show you've still got the goods. That's the way it is in the NFL.

You've got to remember that the coaches live and die with the QB. Zorn's long-term future is connected to winning. Not waiting to see if JC can become an elite QB who can win games for the team. I hope he makes it but question his long-term viability every game when we score less than 10 points.[/quote

If we tank the rest of the way I think we will have our answer about JC's viablilty, but we will be stuck with him for 2 more seasons(2009-2010). The proverbial excuse for him has been coaching/system changes. This won't be an excuse anymore, but you can bet on a major overhaul in the offense in the offseason and if he faltersin '09, they will blame his potential failure on that(new players, chemistry, etc). The 2010 season will be the season where this guy will have nothing to hide behind if he still is an average QB. My question is do we really want to wait til 2010 to play this thing out?

[firstdown]

To all the negative people who said we would loose then bitch because we did then "FUCK YOU". What do you even have to bitch about when you could not even pick your own team to win!!!!!!!!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

To all the negative people who said we would loose then bitch because we did then "FUCK YOU". What do you even have to bitch about when you could not even pick your own team to win!!!!!!!!

I realize you're angry like the rest of us, but there's no need for that kind of post.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

To all the negative people who said we would loose then bitch because we did then "FUCK YOU". What do you even have to bitch about when you could not even pick your own team to win!!!!!!!!

Not picking your team to win does not equate to not wanting them to win.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

To all the negative people who said we would loose then bitch because we did then "FUCK YOU". What do you even have to bitch about when you could not even pick your own team to win!!!!!!!!

I said we would lose and I hoped we would win. I was ready for a win, I wasn't ready for a humiliating beat down. Don't blame me, blame the Redskins.