What's Wrong with the Redskins?

[Drift Reality]

I think it is pretty glaring - we don't have the same level of top-tier physical talent in the trenches as the elite NFL teams.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

I think it is pretty glaring - we don't have the same level of top-tier physical talent in the trenches as the elite NFL teams.

You're undoubtedly right... but i don't see that as the reason we lost today. Execution on offense, specifically away from the LOS, was abysmal. The receiving corp playing at an NFL caliber level alone would have kept us in this game, but w/ I believe 5 or 6 good passes dropped and terrible route running we didn't have a chance. Does it strike anyone else bizarre that JC has so few open targets to throw to on passing downs, and against a secondary that is not elite. Again, i'm starting to wonder if there is a serious coaching issue here w/ the WR corp. They drop passes all the time. They run poor routes. They fail to get open consistently.

Very little chance of winning in this predicament. Stan Hixon should be on the hot-seat IMHO. His group is consistently not up to the challenge, regardless of the rookie class who we make excuses for or the vets who continue to drop passes on critical downs.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You're undoubtedly right... but i don't see that as the reason we lost today. Execution on offense, specifically away from the LOS, was abysmal. The receiving corp playing at an NFL caliber level alone would have kept us in this game, but w/ I believe 5 or 6 good passes dropped and terrible route running we didn't have a chance. Does it strike anyone else bizarre that JC has so few open targets to throw to on passing downs, and against a secondary that is not elite. Again, i'm starting to wonder if there is a serious coaching issue here w/ the WR corp. They drop passes all the time. They run poor routes. They fail to get open consistently.

Very little chance of winning in this predicament. Stan Hixon should be on the hot-seat IMHO. His group is consistently not up to the challenge, regardless of the rookie class who we make excuses for or the vets who continue to drop passes on critical downs.

I keep saying that JC locks onto one receiver. If the main receiver on a route is Santana, he's gonna throw to him and damnit, he better be open or else we're going to take a sack.

I'm almost convinced that JC can't read the field and find the open man. I can't figure out if that's just JC as a QB or if he's so damn panicked in the pocket (afraid of his O-Line sucking) that he has no time to look for someone open.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I keep saying that JC locks onto one receiver. If the main receiver on a route is Santana, he's gonna throw to him and damnit, he better be open or else we're going to take a sack.

I'm almost convinced that JC can't read the field and find the open man. I can't figure out if that's just JC as a QB or if he's so damn panicked in the pocket (afraid of his O-Line sucking) that he has no time to look for someone open.

I'm not seeing this. I'm not sure what you are basing this on, but if the play design is a three step drop or if it's a max protection play, there aren't going to be multiple reads. If it's a five/seven step drop, Campbell usually looks three or four places before trying to force the ball in there. On a lot of these plays, Moss is running off the coverage, so he never looks at him.

I think it's clear that a lot of what we like to do in the passing game runs through Santana Moss, so I wouldn't confuse him getting the ball a lot with Campbell locking on to him.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not seeing this. I'm not sure what you are basing this on, but if the play design is a three step drop or if it's a max protection play, there aren't going to be multiple reads. If it's a five/seven step drop, Campbell usually looks three or four places before trying to force the ball in there. On a lot of these plays, Moss is running off the coverage, so he never looks at him.

I think it's clear that a lot of what we like to do in the passing game runs through Santana Moss, so I wouldn't confuse him getting the ball a lot with Campbell locking on to him.

I definitely could be wrong. I don't know all the inner workings of QBs and such. I'm just looking from the standpoint of a fan trying to figure out what's going wrong with my team.

I don't really have any beef with Campbell. I really wanna see the guy do well. But after losses like this the haters just come out the woodworks. So I try to appeal to both sides of the fence.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not seeing this. I'm not sure what you are basing this on, but if the play design is a three step drop or if it's a max protection play, there aren't going to be multiple reads. If it's a five/seven step drop, Campbell usually looks three or four places before trying to force the ball in there. On a lot of these plays, Moss is running off the coverage, so he never looks at him.

I think it's clear that a lot of what we like to do in the passing game runs through Santana Moss, so I wouldn't confuse him getting the ball a lot with Campbell locking on to him.

Agree like 100% and stuff.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You're undoubtedly right... but i don't see that as the reason we lost today. Execution on offense, specifically away from the LOS, was abysmal. The receiving corp playing at an NFL caliber level alone would have kept us in this game, but w/ I believe 5 or 6 good passes dropped and terrible route running we didn't have a chance. Does it strike anyone else bizarre that JC has so few open targets to throw to on passing downs, and against a secondary that is not elite. Again, i'm starting to wonder if there is a serious coaching issue here w/ the WR corp. They drop passes all the time. They run poor routes. They fail to get open consistently.

Very little chance of winning in this predicament. Stan Hixon should be on the hot-seat IMHO. His group is consistently not up to the challenge, regardless of the rookie class who we make excuses for or the vets who continue to drop passes on critical downs.

I think the drops can be attributed to the weather. But it's widely acknowledged that a soft field favors the offense in the NFL, and that was certainly true for the Giants receivers against our DBs. Those sacks that Campbell kept taking were short drops/quick passes where the receivers ran piss poor routes. Moss, Randle El, and Cooley are definately NFL caliber players, but I wish we could rely on EVERY player on the field on every play, but this is simply not a reality for the Redskins. Some players who play on the offense are just unreliable.

Portis also sucked in pass blocking today.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the drops can be attributed to the weather. But it's widely acknowledged that a soft field favors the offense in the NFL, and that was certainly true for the Giants receivers against our DBs. Those sacks that Campbell kept taking were short drops/quick passes where the receivers ran piss poor routes. Moss, Randle El, and Cooley are definately NFL caliber players, but I wish we could rely on EVERY player on the field on every play, but this is simply not a reality for the Redskins. Some players who play on the offense are just unreliable.

Portis also sucked in pass blocking today.

Can't agree here though. Moss has dropped the ball throughout his career w/ us. Last year he was friggin terrible w/ drops. And weather @ the playoff game last year wasn't so bad and we dropped passes all day. Also, Kelly had great hands in college, as Davis did come to think of it, and now we're seeing drops there. Again, coaching issue? No way to be sure but Hixon has some explaining to do on his group - drops, route running. Basically receivers have to do 2 things very well to be successful... you got it, run their routes precisely and catch the ball. Not one of our WRs really do both things well consistently do they?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You're undoubtedly right... but i don't see that as the reason we lost today. Execution on offense, specifically away from the LOS, was abysmal. The receiving corp playing at an NFL caliber level alone would have kept us in this game, but w/ I believe 5 or 6 good passes dropped and terrible route running we didn't have a chance. Does it strike anyone else bizarre that JC has so few open targets to throw to on passing downs, and against a secondary that is not elite. Again, i'm starting to wonder if there is a serious coaching issue here w/ the WR corp. They drop passes all the time. They run poor routes. They fail to get open consistently.

Very little chance of winning in this predicament. Stan Hixon should be on the hot-seat IMHO. His group is consistently not up to the challenge, regardless of the rookie class who we make excuses for or the vets who continue to drop passes on critical downs.

Have to laugh my ass off!!!!!! Still think I am on Prozac now Goat for going along with Matty and thinking the Gmen would dominate? Granted I was joking in the other thread about bringing Norv back as the OC once SD fires him, but at this rate I don't think it is such a bad idea do you? Norv set records with the likes of Brad Johnson, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, a much younger James Thrash, Stephen Alexander, and of course Stephen Davis. Shoot, Norv had more offensive output with good old Gus, Westbrook, Thrash, Terry Allen and the old man Shepperd that what we saw today. Zorny has more collective talent on both sides of the ball(with the exception at CB) than Norv did, and will be lucky to hit 9-7. The injuries play a big part, as does the inept play, but I think the WCO has been figured out by now and is now passe.

[saden1]

What's wrong with the Redskins? How about playing better teams? You know, teams with better defenses, offenses, coaches and players. Mix in a tea spoon of "lack of heart" and you got an average at best team dish ready to serve disappointed fans.

Disgusting!

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

What's wrong with the Redskins? How about playing better teams? You know, teams with better defenses, offenses, coaches and players. Mix in a tea spoon of "lack of heart" and you got an average at best team dish ready to serve disappointed fans.

Disgusting!

I agree completely. We have a long, long way to go before becoming a good team. And we're either old, not very good, or both at some critical positions.

[GMScud]

Zorn said he liked to break the season down into quarters.

3-1 in the first quarter, 3-1 in the second quarter, 1-3 in the third.

Someone on here pointed out that our 3rd quarter of the season has been no better than 1-3 for like 4 or 5 years. And the trend continues....

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Zorn said he liked to break the season down into quarters.

3-1 in the first quarter, 3-1 in the second quarter, 1-3 in the third.

Someone on here pointed out that our 3rd quarter of the season has been no better than 1-3 for like 4 or 5 years. And the trend continues....

Yeah. The month of November has not been kind to us this decade.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

I think it is pretty glaring - we don't have the same level of top-tier physical talent in the trenches as the elite NFL teams.

That sums it up. Yes, we had drops today by the receivers in wet, sloppy weather. There is no excuse for that. But overall, our entire body of work (or lack thereof) this season has been defined by poor play in the trenches. Our run blocking is normally good, but aside from that we get manhandled on the line of scrimmage.

Once again we failed to generate consistent pressure, and JC was sacked several times. Teams that consistently pressure the QB and give thier own QB time to step into throws in the pocket usually succeed.