What's Wrong with the Redskins?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Yeah only cause I've been following that kid since high school. If he would've played for a major college he would've got drafted sooner, but since Hawaii is looked as a system team he didn't. What was Campbells claim to fame? Hand the ball off to a pair of excellent running backs. He my friend was a systems qb and now we're showing why we're always the laughing stock of the draft.

Now this is just getting dumb. Who exactly is laughing at the Redskins over picking Campbell?

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Now this is just getting dumb. Who exactly is laughing at the Redskins over picking Campbell?

Not Campbell I'm talking about in general. How many Campbells have we drafted? Outside of Landry and Sean not many of our draft choices pan out. If so we'd be as deep as the Patriots,Colts and other teams with many home grown starters not free agents.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Not Campbell I'm talking about in general. How many Campbells have we drafted? Outside of Landry and Sean not many of our draft choices pan out. If so we'd be as deep as the Patriots,Colts and other teams with many home grown starters not free agents.

We've drafted guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery and found numerous UFA gems. Now, Chris Horton might not be Sean Taylor, but he's a damn good pickup for a 7th rounder. We haven't had a lot of draft picks to work with, but the guys we've drafted have been pretty solid. To expect a team to draft gem after gem isn't very realistic.

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We've drafted guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery and found numerous UFA gems. Now, Chris Horton might not be Sean Taylor, but he's a damn good pickup for a 7th rounder. We haven't had a lot of draft picks to work with, but the guys we've drafted have been pretty solid. To expect a team to draft gem after gem isn't very realistic.

Okay Betts and Cartright I'll give you those. Mediocre but I'll still give you props there. Chris Cooley actually should have went in my stud list along with Landry and Taylor. I actually like horton. He's a ball hawk.BUt its all about perception.Perception is that we trade all our picks away. Reality is that we only became a fair draft team for about 3 years. But we are middle on board at best when it comes to draft day.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Okay Betts and Cartright I'll give you those. Mediocre but I'll still give you props there. Chris Cooley actually should have went in my stud list along with Landry and Taylor. I actually like horton. He's a ball hawk.BUt its all about perception.Perception is that we trade all our picks away. Reality is that we only became a fair draft team for about 3 years. But we are middle on board at best when it comes to draft day.

Also keep in mind not every draft pick is going to be a winner. Then add the fact that instead of filling the one or two glaring holes we had on the team by "drafting for need" the team management chose to go the "best overall player" route and we ended up with a TE we truely didn't need, a Punter we truely didn't need and if we did, why couldn't they make the punter work? all he has to do is stand back there and grab the ball out of the air and take two steps and punt. Instead it seems we have no one out on the edge to stop the rush. Everytime we punt I cringe waiting for the blocked punt. Their close everytime. Then watch us on punt returns and you will see not one man even gets close to the opposing punter. Why? what are we doing differently or wrong. Why is it that everytime ARE stands back to punt return he has a man in his face and has to down the ball? Other teams are pushing the ball up field. back to my soap box...we picked up a QB we really didn't need. or maybe we did. We all knew what we needed out of the draft...1 or 2 DT's who were young, healthy and could collapse a pocket. A bigger DE. We have a smaller speedier DE in Carter, what we needed was the power rushing DE on the other side. O-line anywere. Just a young healthy warm body. Heyer is good for what he was ...a non drafted o-lineman. He's a nice fill in when needed but he's not a stand out or a difference maker. and last but not least we needed WR and S. We drafted for those positions.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We've drafted guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartright, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockery, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery and found numerous UFA gems. Now, Chris Horton might not be Sean Taylor, but he's a damn good pickup for a 7th rounder. We haven't had a lot of draft picks to work with, but the guys we've drafted have been pretty solid. To expect a team to draft gem after gem isn't very realistic.

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

Well, I'm not counting this year because it's too early to pass judgement. So with that caveat, I think we've drafted a wide receiver in the first 3 rounds once in the past 13 years

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I'm not counting this year because it's too early to pass judgement. So with that caveat, I think we've drafted a wide receiver in the first 3 rounds once in the past 13 years

I agree it is still too early to pass judgement for this year, but it is not looking good and IMO we shouldn't have used all 3 picks on receivers with so many other needs.

Westbrook (1995) and Gardner (2001) and of course Howard just before that. You would think after these 3 we would have learned a lesson. Then we have the QBs (Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell) that 2 were busts and the jury is still out on Campbell. Compare these to the defense players and offensive line guys we took that have all pretty much panned out and you get my point.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

The last Redskins first round pick that wasn't a borderline pro-bowler or better was Patrick Ramsey in 2002. And he was the last pick in the round. Since that was seven years ago, I'd say the point is bunk that we haven't drafted well at the top of drafts. It's more that we...haven't had picks to get good players with.

And if somebody wanted to make the argument that Ramsey would have been a pro bowler in 2005 had he been the starter, I'd hear it. Before Ramsey, it was Rod Gardner, and now were really dating ourselves.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

IMO overall our drafts have been pretty week. Sean Taylor was a no brainer at the pick we got him at. Same with Samuels. But how many top picks have we wasted going for the 'sexy' pick. Falling in love with the next offensive weapon that doesn't pan out instead of going with the safe pick to build our team. How many great wide recievers have we drafted over the years with our top picks that didn't pan out. Yes we have hit on some later round picks, but we have missed on way too many of our 1st thru 3rd round picks. These are the guys that most teams build around.

I just wanted to point out that at the time, ALOT of the thoughts were that Gibbs was going to take Kellen Winslow Jr. with that pick. Instead he got ST, and Cooley in the 3rd round. Now that's a good draft!