There's No Quarterback Controversy

[MTK]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

I wish everyone would stop picking out a point here and a point here out of my arguement.....i will sum it up again......campbell is going to be a good QB, wrong system and wrong mechanics will hold him up here.........the skin color thing was in refrence to the media(they will be more PC)in attacking a black quarterback.....Washington fans as a whole are very critical of their QBs, always have, always will...How many years do we have to wait on this guy to learn to read defenses,improve his mechanics,stop fumbling...its just insane in my opinion he is getting this much patience.

His completion % is up, his INTs and fumbles are WAY down, and his passer rating is up.

But yeah let's just ignore that.

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

His completion % is up, his INTs and fumbles are WAY down, and his passer rating is up.

But yeah let's just ignore that.

nobody is denying he has gotten better, but he seems like he is flatlining....all the talk about he changes systems every year but no one has mentioned in that time.....he has the same o-line,the same WR,the same TE and same set of running backs........a little more consistency is not asking to much from a guy who has played with the same group for 3 years.......an 8 yard slant is the same no matter what scheme you run

[MTK]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

nobody is denying he has gotten better, but he seems like he is flatlining....all the talk about he changes systems every year but no one has mentioned in that time.....he has the same o-line,the same WR,the same TE and same set of running backs........a little more consistency is not asking to much from a guy who has played with the same group for 3 years.......an 8 yard slant is the same no matter what scheme you run

The entire offense is struggling, not just him. Thinking he's the one to blame is a pretty narrow minded view. There's 11 guys on offense.

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The entire offense is struggling, not just him. Thinking he's the one to blame is a pretty narrow minded view. There's 11 guys on offense.

this offense has stuggled for years, hence the reason i said when we are mathimatically eliminated why not see what others can do.
QB-brennan for campbell,OL-rinehart and heyer,TE-davis for yoder,WR-thomas and kelly for ARE and thrash

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

this offense has stuggled for years, hence the reason i said when we are mathimatically eliminated why not see what others can do.
QB-brennan for campbell,OL-rinehart and heyer,TE-davis for yoder,WR-thomas and kelly for ARE and thrash

You do that with a 3-13 team, not a team that is a legitimate shot at the playoffs going into the last month of the season.

It's really hard to take anything you say seriously because it seems that you have an axe to grind and are ignoring logic and common sense. Let's break it down to basic elements for you, Brennan is not seeing the field at all this year, Davis will likely remain inactive for the rest of the year. Absent an injury Rinehart and Heyer will remain backups, Thomas and Kelly are being worked in as they can be.

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You do that with a 3-13 team, not a team that is a legitimate shot at the playoffs going into the last month of the season.

It's really hard to take anything you say seriously because it seems that you have an axe to grind and are ignoring logic and common sense. Let's break it down to basic elements for you, Brennan is not seeing the field at all this year, Davis will likely remain inactive for the rest of the year. Absent an injury Rinehart and Heyer will remain backups, Thomas and Kelly are being worked in as they can be.

no axe to grind....just thinking once we are out of the playoff hunt....look at the backups for the future.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

no axe to grind....just thinking once we are out of the playoff hunt....look at the backups for the future.

Sorry dude, but that doesn't happen in the NFL for teams competing for playoff spots late in the season.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

no axe to grind....just thinking once we are out of the playoff hunt....look at the backups for the future.

While you are entitled to your opinion of course, it's pretty annoying to see someone get thoroughly beat down by reasoned argumentation and repeatedly come back with the same take: whatever dude, put in Brennan

If you aren't going to come with more than "why not see what the backups can do" (as if benching the franchise quarterback is something to be done on a lark), why not just move onto a new thread? I mean, we get it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

this offense has stuggled for years, hence the reason i said when we are mathimatically eliminated why not see what others can do.
QB-brennan for campbell,OL-rinehart and heyer,TE-davis for yoder,WR-thomas and kelly for ARE and thrash

Since you seem to be hung up on the topic of deliveries, what do you think about Colt's sidearm sling?

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Since you seem to be hung up on the topic of deliveries, what do you think about Colt's sidearm sling?

needs to be brought up, but his delievery is quick(potienally alot of batted balls)

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The entire offense is struggling, not just him. Thinking he's the one to blame is a pretty narrow minded view. There's 11 guys on offense.

Excellent point. With a good OL and WR's who could get open & actually catch the ball when it hits their hands I wonder where JC would be right now. Certainly better, but I think Zorn will have to make his determination on JC next season without a totally perfect offensive package.

Barring injury, I see no chance of JC being replaced, even on a limited basis, this season. Next season is more questionable unless JC finishes strong these last games.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

Excellent point. With a good OL and WR's who could get open & actually catch the ball when it hits their hands I wonder where JC would be right now. Certainly better, but I think Zorn will have to make his determination on JC next season without a totally perfect offensive package.

Barring injury, I see no chance of JC being replaced, even on a limited basis, this season. Next season is more questionable unless JC finishes strong these last games.

I disagree with that last sentence. In Matt Hasselbeck's first season in the WCO in Seattle, he was so bad he was benched mid-season for Trent Dilfer. But given time to learn, he's now made multiple pro-bowls and won an NFC Championship. I don't think next season is questionable for JC whatsoever barring a catasrophic regression in his play.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I disagree with that last sentence. In Matt Hasselbeck's first season in the WCO in Seattle, he was so bad he was benched mid-season for Trent Dilfer. But given time to learn, he's now made multiple pro-bowls and won an NFC Championship. I don't think next season is questionable for JC whatsoever barring a catasrophic regression in his play.

What I meant to say is that "if the offense and JC continue to struggle", then his starting position at QB will be more in jeopardy next season as it progresses. Obviously if JC does well and we start scoring points and winning games, then he will be given an extension as the long-term franchise QB. That's what I hope happens.

If he's just playing at the 'decent-to-good' QB level then Zorn will have a tough decision to make in the 2009 season.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The entire offense is struggling, not just him. Thinking he's the one to blame is a pretty narrow minded view. There's 11 guys on offense.

yeah, in fact i think one could argue JC performs better (at his position, respectively) than say 6 or 7 of the other guys on offense most of the time. Obviously CP, Sellers, and Cooley perform at a high level quite consistently. And while Moss can be spectacular he can also catch the dropsies overnight and somehow fail to get open for long stretches. i say JC is consistently our 4 best player on offense (again respective of position), so yeah we could do a lot to improve elsewhere.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

yeah, in fact i think one could argue JC performs better (at his position, respectively) than say 6 or 7 of the other guys on offense most of the time. Obviously CP, Sellers, and Cooley perform at a high level quite consistently. And while Moss can be spectacular he can also catch the dropsies overnight and somehow fail to get open for long stretches. i say JC is consistently our 4 best player on offense (again respective of position), so yeah we could do a lot to improve elsewhere.

Maybe you throw Samuels into that too and earlier I would say ARE, but he dropping oh so many passes.