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Old 12-08-2008, 11:33 PM   #1
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Carter and Taylor are both difference makers when healthy, but now that their both on the wrong side of thirty (and subsequently, less than healthy), I think we do have to keep an eye out in the third round for a defensive lineman that shouldn't still be around.
Taylor was a difference maker. He's simply not anymore. Carter simply doesn't have the burst or explosiveness as some of the top pass rushers.
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Taylor was a difference maker. He's simply not anymore. Carter simply doesn't have the burst or explosiveness as some of the top pass rushers.
Even this year, Carter can kill some of the top tackles in the league. Can't get sacks though if the offense is just turning the ball short all day long against heavy blitz.

Taylor probably is done with 16 game healthy seasons, and was a moronic use of a second round draft pick ESPECIALLY for a team with Andre Carter, but he has played really well against the pass in Carter's abscence, and his 8 passes deflected probably lead the NFL.

Taylor is just totally useless against the run, so you can't justify having him on the field unless he's rushing the passer like he has been the last two games.
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Old 12-09-2008, 10:29 AM   #3
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Even this year, Carter can kill some of the top tackles in the league. Can't get sacks though if the offense is just turning the ball short all day long against heavy blitz.

Taylor probably is done with 16 game healthy seasons, and was a moronic use of a second round draft pick ESPECIALLY for a team with Andre Carter, but he has played really well against the pass in Carter's abscence, and his 8 passes deflected probably lead the NFL.

Taylor is just totally useless against the run, so you can't justify having him on the field unless he's rushing the passer like he has been the last two games.
I'm not sure what you're looking at but Carter doesn't kill anyone. All he ever does is try and run around the LT. He never changes up his moves. He can't bull rush cause he isn't strong enough. Harrison, Ware, Tuck Peppers....those guys are killing people this year.
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Old 12-09-2008, 12:54 PM   #4
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I'm not sure what you're looking at but Carter doesn't kill anyone. All he ever does is try and run around the LT. He never changes up his moves. He can't bull rush cause he isn't strong enough. Harrison, Ware, Tuck Peppers....those guys are killing people this year.
This is true I think, but I think his play diagnosis has gotten so good at DE that he can read draw and not go upfield too far. Now that he can do that, I say more power to him if he wants to use speed moves on every play to go inside or outside the tackle instead of through him.

There's no doubt that it took some time to get him re-acclimated to Defensive End in the NFL. But if anything, he's better than last year, is all I'm saying.
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:30 PM   #5
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This is true I think, but I think his play diagnosis has gotten so good at DE that he can read draw and not go upfield too far. Now that he can do that, I say more power to him if he wants to use speed moves on every play to go inside or outside the tackle instead of through him.

There's no doubt that it took some time to get him re-acclimated to Defensive End in the NFL. But if anything, he's better than last year, is all I'm saying.
Carter is a average DE and a slightly above average DE on a good day. He seems to play the run ok, I believe, but is limited in his pass rushing. He wouldn't be starting in NYG, Dal, or Philly most likely. Would he? He just seems ultra slow this year for some reason.
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This is true I think, but I think his play diagnosis has gotten so good at DE that he can read draw and not go upfield too far. Now that he can do that, I say more power to him if he wants to use speed moves on every play to go inside or outside the tackle instead of through him.

There's no doubt that it took some time to get him re-acclimated to Defensive End in the NFL. But if anything, he's better than last year, is all I'm saying.
Is it possible for him to be better this year despite having less of a tangible impact (stats-wise)? How come the sacks are way down?
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:40 PM   #7
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I normally don't like Michael Wilbon's articles, however this sums it up pretty darn well (and takes a nice shot at all the simpleton's who suggest benching JC is the solution).

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Is it possible for him to be better this year despite having less of a tangible impact (stats-wise)? How come the sacks are way down?
See above.

If the tangible impact is limited to sacks, then his production is down, but when you consider the way he forces weaker QBs to alter their deliveries with pressure, then I would argue his tangible production is up.
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This is true I think, but I think his play diagnosis has gotten so good at DE that he can read draw and not go upfield too far. Now that he can do that, I say more power to him if he wants to use speed moves on every play to go inside or outside the tackle instead of through him.

There's no doubt that it took some time to get him re-acclimated to Defensive End in the NFL. But if anything, he's better than last year, is all I'm saying.
What has changed in his game play from the 11 sacks he had last year to the three he has this year?
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What has changed in his game play from the 11 sacks he had last year to the three he has this year?
We blitz six+ players about once every three passes. 94% of the times on these plays, the Redskins cannot sack the QB. This suggests that despite the extra guys coming at the QB, offenses have adjusted to either 1) pick up the blitz, or 2) run a hot route to get the ball out quick.

Our blitzes don't surprise anyone, so teams are very prepared for them. Obviously, this limits the value of a pass rushing defensive end when #1) you force them to rush a certain gap, and #2) the quarterback isn't going to hold the ball long enough for someone outside the tackle box to be a major factor.
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