Redskins v Ravens Offensive GT Review: Skins lose turnover battle, game

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A lot of times, when people say no creativity on offense, they just don't know what they are talking about. Since I believe you do know what you are talking about, what exactly do you mean? Lack of gadget plays? Not enough misdirection? Bad pass to run ratio? Poor use of deception plays, like draws, screens, and play action passes? Badly designed route combinations? A mixture or all of the above?

What exactly is the problem, in your opinion?

If my offense totally sucks and can't score points I'm going to mix things up. Cause what we're doing isn't working. Now if I can sit here and name some things how come our coaches can't? It just baffles me. Anyway I'm going to do some of the following things.

1. Run Portis on some pass patterns and try and get him on a LB in space instead of simple check downs.
2. I'm going to have designed roll outs for JC.
3. I'm going to have some 2 TE sets with Davis and Cooley on the field at the same time.
4. I might try the wildcat a little bit and line Portis up in shotgun. Didn't Saunders do this in one game last year? I remember it cause it worked.
5. I'm going to throw deep on first dowm a little more.
6. I might have some formations where Betts and Portis and in the game at the same time.
7. I'm going to max protect some more on deep pass patterns so we can actually get the pass off. Even Chicago throws the ball downfield. They didn't complete any last night but they sure got some important PI's

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If my offense totally sucks and can't score points I'm going to mix things up. Cause what we're doing isn't working. Now if I can sit here and name some things how come our coaches can't? It just baffles me. Anyway I'm going to do some of the following things.

1. Run Portis on some pass patterns and try and get him on a LB in space instead of simple check downs.
2. I'm going to have designed roll outs for JC.
3. I'm going to have some 2 TE sets with Davis and Cooley on the field at the same time.
4. I might try the wildcat a little bit and line Portis up in shotgun. Didn't Saunders do this in one game last year? I remember it cause it worked.
5. I'm going to throw deep on first dowm a little more.
6. I might have some formations where Betts and Portis and in the game at the same time.
7. I'm going to max protect some more on deep pass patterns so we can actually get the pass off. Even Chicago throws the ball downfield. They didn't complete any last night but they sure got some important PI's

There's some good ideas here, but also a lot of things we already do. I'll try to address this in brief.

1) The Redskins had a 3-4 game span where they put Portis in routes a lot, culminating in the massacre against Pittsburgh. It was somewhat effective, and Portis was maybe our most valuable receiver in October, and definately our biggest weapon in the passing game against Pittsburgh. Not so coincidentally, this also coincides with our 5 game span of the worst pass protection known to man.

2) Hooskins suggest this as well. Couldn't hurt, but I doubt it would help. JC is already seeing the field really well from the pocket.

3) Makes more sense than Yoder/Cooley sets.

4) Ultimately though, Zorn will never do this because he sees it as a gadget formation. Is he being stubborn? For sure. Would this solve all the problems with scoring points? Doubt it.

5) That's when Zorn takes his shots already. Although it wouldn't kill us to be more aggressive more often, I'd like to see shots taken on THIRD down. That's been our problem down all year, and it would give us the best chance to make big plays with Moss or Cooley. Our third down screens and draws have been largely effective, but I'd like to see Zorn scrap the easy to cover throws at the sticks and try to double move someone or just go deep.

6) Lots of this earlier in the year, none of it since Betts got hurt. I think there's a lot of creative ideas earlier in the year that Zorn has got away from, none more costly than the lack of misdirection. Of course, he's going to come back to them eventually.

7) We do max protect on our deep passes. We just don't help on the edge rushers. The one that Reed picked off, that was a deep throw to Devin Thomas, and Portis, for whatever reason, just didn't make the block on Suggs, who went around Samuels. But Portis and Cooley both stayed in on the play.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There's some good ideas here, but also a lot of things we already do. I'll try to address this in brief.

1) The Redskins had a 3-4 game span where they put Portis in routes a lot, culminating in the massacre against Pittsburgh. It was somewhat effective, and Portis was maybe our most valuable receiver in October, and definately our biggest weapon in the passing game against Pittsburgh. Not so coincidentally, this also coincides with our 5 game span of the worst pass protection known to man.

2) Hooskins suggest this as well. Couldn't hurt, but I doubt it would help. JC is already seeing the field really well from the pocket.

3) Makes more sense than Yoder/Cooley sets.

4) Ultimately though, Zorn will never do this because he sees it as a gadget formation. Is he being stubborn? For sure. Would this solve all the problems with scoring points? Doubt it.

5) That's when Zorn takes his shots already. Although it wouldn't kill us to be more aggressive more often, I'd like to see shots taken on THIRD down. That's been our problem down all year, and it would give us the best chance to make big plays with Moss or Cooley. Our third down screens and draws have been largely effective, but I'd like to see Zorn scrap the easy to cover throws at the sticks and try to double move someone or just go deep.

6) Lots of this earlier in the year, none of it since Betts got hurt. I think there's a lot of creative ideas earlier in the year that Zorn has got away from, none more costly than the lack of misdirection. Of course, he's going to come back to them eventually.

7) We do max protect on our deep passes. We just don't help on the edge rushers. The one that Reed picked off, that was a deep throw to Devin Thomas, and Portis, for whatever reason, just didn't make the block on Suggs, who went around Samuels. But Portis and Cooley both stayed in on the play.

I brought this up in another thread and it's off topic a little bit. We need a back that can come out of the backfield and has the ability to take it to the endzone. Someone that's just a pure speed guy. A Reggie Bush, Leon Washington Felix Jones type of guy. Gibbs used Joe Washington out of the back field in the 80's. Betts is good but I'm talking about a guy that can really make people miss in the open field. This is something that should possibly be addressed in the offseason. It's never talked about but I like the idea.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I brought this up in another thread and it's off topic a little bit. We need a back that can come out of the backfield and has the ability to take it to the endzone. Someone that's just a pure speed guy. A Reggie Bush, Leon Washington Felix Jones type of guy. Gibbs used Joe Washington out of the back field in the 80's. Betts is good but I'm talking about a guy that can really make people miss in the open field. This is something that should possibly be addressed in the offseason. It's never talked about but I like the idea.

I agree, and openly am desiring that we use our 5th round pick on an offensive playmaker at RB who dropped because he couldn't handle the load of the position.

We used Betts in this role in 2005, but we haven't had a game-breaker since then.