Gregg Williams out in J-Ville

[The Goat]

I actually feel worse for Williams than for anybody within the Redskins franchise. I guess I was one of the few who believed he should have been the HC w/ Saunders staying on w/ total control of the offense. I truly believe Snyder's massive ego got in the way because Williams came across as so confident in his own leadership.

I hope Williams gets his shot w/ a great franchise.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I actually feel worse for Williams than for anybody within the Redskins franchise. I guess I was one of the few who believed he should have been the HC w/ Saunders staying on w/ total control of the offense. I truly believe Snyder's massive ego got in the way because Williams came across as so confident in his own leadership.

I hope Williams gets his shot w/ a great franchise.

So its once again Snyders fault and Williams not lasting in Jax is probably Snyders fault too.

[redskinsrob]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I actually feel worse for Williams than for anybody within the Redskins franchise. I guess I was one of the few who believed he should have been the HC w/ Saunders staying on w/ total control of the offense. I truly believe Snyder's massive ego got in the way because Williams came across as so confident in his own leadership.

I hope Williams gets his shot w/ a great franchise.

He should have been the HC here. I think he learned from Gibbs on how to manage players, he was quoted in an interview a couple of years back explaining how he had learned. I don't know if he would have kept Saunders as the O.C., but if he had, Collins would have been the starting QB and the offense probobly would have resembled how it was at the end of last season. Maybe even better in the redzone with Saunders calling 100% of the plays.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Smootsmack:

I have heard similar rumblings about Del Rio and Tice. Here is what would give me pause if I owned the Jags...


Mike Tice has a nickname around all of the NFL. His nickname is "Meathead". Do you really want a head coach who is known far and wide as "Meathead"?


We shall see...

[sportscurmudgeon]

I watched the Jags/Colts game tonight. Since I had no particular favorite in the game - - other than the fact that I love to watch the way P. Manning operates in the pocket - - I decided to focus on the Jags defense to see what it said about Gregg Williams.

Here is my conclusion - after watching the game and then watching the second half over again on tape:

Either Gregg Williams completely changed his defensive philosophy or...

Gregg Williams does not have the personnel to run the defense he ran here in DC or ...

Gregg Williams has been told what the defensive scheme has to be and his job is to call the defenses play-to-play.

The Jags played zone blitz a lot; that was a rarity here in Washington.

The Jags sold out to stop the run against a Colt team that is much more dangerous passing than running. The Williams' defense here seemed to focus on trying to take away an opponent's strength and not to accentuate its weaknesses.

When Manning completed his first 16 passes in the game, the defensive coverage didn't really change at all. Manning wound up something like 29 for 34 and about 350 yards for the game. The Jags never adjusted. That is not a typical game for "Gregg Williams' defense."

I do not know what is going on in Jax but that team definitely needs a bunch of changes. There is a lot more talent there than their record would indicate - - particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

As I said elsewhere, Jax is a financially strapped franchise. Because the Skins had to pay off Williams this year, his hiring in Jax as defensive coordinator was essentially a "freebie" to them. Maybe they hired him just as a caretaker?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by redskinsrob

He should have been the HC here. I think he learned from Gibbs on how to manage players, he was quoted in an interview a couple of years back explaining how he had learned. I don't know if he would have kept Saunders as the O.C., but if he had, Collins would have been the starting QB and the offense probobly would have resembled how it was at the end of last season. Maybe even better in the redzone with Saunders calling 100% of the plays.

I would bet you're right about Collins; however, with Collins near retirement we'd have seen JC starting within a couple of years... except this time he'd be a master of Saunders offense having watched Collins run it close up. (I figured at the time Saunders would be retained because I thought he and Williams had a lot of respect for each other). Alas, it was never meant to be and I'm past it. Under Zorn JC has the best possible shot of becoming an elite QB IMO and if they make this WCO thing work we're gonna fly.

[djnemo65]

Williams' blitzing scheme heavy defenses were never a good fit for Jacksonville. Hope he does well in his next town.

[GTripp0012]

Williams is a great coach in my opinion, but I don't think we'd be any better off if he was the HC and Blache was the DC. I think we'd be prone to the same sort of mistakes the offense has made in the last three weeks with them as we would be with Zorn/Blache.

Williams to Blache has been a significant downgrade.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Williams is a great coach in my opinion, but I don't think we'd be any better off if he was the HC and Blache was the DC. I think we'd be prone to the same sort of mistakes the offense has made in the last three weeks with them as we would be with Zorn/Blache.

Williams to Blache has been a significant downgrade.

You think so? It seems to me that our defense has played at a level consistent with the last several seasons, playing the familiar role of keeping us in games while our offense sputters. While the complexity of the schemes has certainly been scaled back I don't necessarily think that has always been a bad thing.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

You think so? It seems to me that our defense has played at a level consistent with the last several seasons, playing the familiar role of keeping us in games while our offense sputters. While the complexity of the schemes has certainly been scaled back I don't necessarily think that has always been a bad thing.

The defense has played well this year, but Blache does doesn't understand defense, even 10% of what Williams does. He's predictable, they can't change out of his piss poor calls, and he's particually ineffective on third downs when we need to get off the field. I like him as a line coach, but he's got to go as our coordinator.

Springs came back, and benched Rogers so he could play his boys, Hall and Mike Green. Then, with our three best CBs healthy, he's got Smoot covering Houshmanzadeh and Hall on Chad Johnson.

When our defense plays this poorly against the Bengals offense, I don't think we can defend him coming back. I don't think the unit as a whole is poorly coached, but every offensive coordinator we face outcoaches Blache, which was never an issue with Williams.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

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Springs came back, and benched Rogers so he could play his boys, Hall and Mike Green. Then, with our three best CBs healthy, he's got Smoot covering Houshmanzadeh and Hall on Chad Johnson.

i saw an interview with blach and he was asked about rogers lack of playing time in this game. blach said that rogers has been sick with the flu all last week and part of this week and as a result rogers was just too weak to play many downs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i saw an interview with blach and he was asked about rogers lack of playing time in this game. blach said that rogers has been sick with the flu all last week and part of this week and as a result rogers was just too weak to play many downs.

Good enough reason for me, but the NFL might want to know why that wasn't on the injury report.

[GTripp0012]

Other coaches have made mistakes, but Blache is the only one I feel we can't win with in the future.

[redsk1]

GW is a very good coach. He obviously demand alot of his players. We know that. Getting in to a new situation, he might have ruffled some feathers.

I'd welcome him back at any time. Blache has done a good job though.

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

ESPN - Sources: Jacksonville Jaguars' defensive boss Greg Williams won't be back

Apparently the 2nd 'G' is for GONE!

i will take him back over blache or zorn any day of the week. i hate our coaching staff without him.

can we ever make a right decision