A 2009 Spring Dream....

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

You must be a USC fan. I'm not a huge fan of Cushing or Mathews they remind me of a more hyped Dallas Sartz and they have virtually the same stats and measurables.

you must not watch them play football? thats ok but comparing those two with dallas sartz is a serious mistake and shows me that you dont know talent when you see it. sartz didnt walk in the door at usc in the hieghts of the programs history and start like cushing.....sartz was not 253 pounds and didnt run a 4.6 forty. mathews you could argue but this kid can rush the passer and is an all around play maker......sartz was neither of these guys esspecially cushing.......i think you should look at what you said and wonder why you are comparing sartz to cushing.....the only reason is they went usc, and cushing started over him as an 18 year old freshman.....but really i am not a usc fan just a huge fan of defense and talented ones at that.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

you must not watch them play football? thats ok but comparing those two with dallas sartz is a serious mistake and shows me that you dont know talent when you see it. sartz didnt walk in the door at usc in the hieghts of the programs history and start like cushing.....sartz was not 253 pounds and didnt run a 4.6 forty. mathews you could argue but this kid can rush the passer and is an all around play maker......sartz was neither of these guys esspecially cushing.......i think you should look at what you said and wonder why you are comparing sartz to cushing.....the only reason is they went usc, and cushing started over him as an 18 year old freshman.....but really i am not a usc fan just a huge fan of defense and talented ones at that.

Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect
Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football
Dallas Sartz | Southern Cal, OLB : 2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
usctrojans.com - Football (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
usctrojans.com - Football (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect
Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football
Dallas Sartz*|*Southern Cal,*OLB*:*2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
usctrojans.com - Football (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
usctrojans.com - Football (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)

I'd be skeptical of pre-combine and pro-day numbers. A lot of those 40 times are estimates. Plus it's obvious Cushing has something that Startz doesn't, my guess is part of the reasons he's grading out as a first rounder is because he has a higher football IQ. Though I'm willing to bet that come April Cushing will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick even if he's still graded as a late first rounder.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'd be skeptical of pre-combine and pro-day numbers. A lot of those 40 times are estimates. Plus it's obvious Cushing has something that Startz doesn't, my guess is part of the reasons he's grading out as a first rounder is because he has a higher football IQ. Though I'm willing to bet that come April Cushing will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick even if he's still graded as a late first rounder.

You're right about being skeptical of pre-combine results, but it's hard for me to imagine Cushing running a 4.58 40. Also, Sartz was known for his cerebral play and great football IQ, so I wouldn't say that's the reason why Cushing's grading out better. I definitely don't think Cushing is worth more then a third round pick and that's probably where he will end up getting picked after the juniors declare.

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect
Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football
Dallas Sartz*|*Southern Cal,*OLB*:*2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
usctrojans.com - Football (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
usctrojans.com - Football (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)

source all you want. cushing is the better player hands down! sartz didnt make a roster, cushing will start as a rookie barring any injury. if you disagree with the pick in the second round fine, i would love to get him in the third if we could, but dallas sartz isnt on the same level as cushing....comparing stats is for nerds, watch the film see whos shows up.