Two BRIGHT spots from PIttsburgh game

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

...Of course, they will need to stop putting themselves in long-yardage situations with stupid penalties like the ones that have been killing them for the past three seasons...

That's really not what I had expected at this point in the season from a Gibbs/Bugel-coached team. But then, nothing is what I'd expected this year.

The middle of the line, along with inconsistent play from Chris Samuels are the main culprits along the line as I see it.

It already appears that Derrick Dockery is not panning out as expected, and as others have mentioned, it's about time we addressed the center position seriously rather than relying on has-been free agents and converted guards like Lennie Friedman.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Someone said that Ramsey played better than Roethlisberger yesterday - as if that were really important.

Let me show you how meaningless single game stats can be in terms of evaluating the overall value of players.

Yesterday:


Roethlisberger 9 for 20; 131 yards; 0 TDs; 0 INT; sacked 4 times

Ramsey 19 for 34; 138 yards; 1 TD; 1 INT; sacked 5 times

AJ Feeley 17 for 33; 159 yards; 1 TD; 1 INT; sacked 1 time


So obviously, if you were starting a new team and had to take a QB and these were the three options open to you, you'd take AJ Feeley, right? And of course Roethlisberger is clearly the worst of the lot, right?

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Someone said that Ramsey played better than Roethlisberger yesterday - as if that were really important.

Let me show you how meaningless single game stats can be in terms of evaluating the overall value of players.

Yesterday:


Roethlisberger 9 for 20; 131 yards; 0 TDs; 0 INT; sacked 4 times

Ramsey 19 for 34; 138 yards; 1 TD; 1 INT; sacked 5 times

AJ Feeley 17 for 33; 159 yards; 1 TD; 1 INT; sacked 1 time


So obviously, if you were starting a new team and had to take a QB and these were the three options open to you, you'd take AJ Feeley, right? And of course Roethlisberger is clearly the worst of the lot, right?

That kind of comparison IS important and meaningful, SC, when all other things are equal. But that is so clearly NOT the case that, of course, it becomes a moot point to argue that Ramsey performed better than Roethlisberger. There were so many other problems for the Redskins in that game, that Ramsey would have had to put up at least 250 yards and 3 TDs with zero interceptions for his stats to be relevant. Considering that no quarterback has put up that kind of performance against the Steelers all season, I'd say that's a pretty tall order for a quarterback starting only his second game this season.

And I don't think anyone's saying Ramsey-- or Feeley for that matter-- are better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger. I think folks are just trying to point out that maybe Ramsey didn't do all that bad against the league's top defense. He actually did better against this defense than some of his counterparts who have faced this defense and also lost...

And in this particular game, he actually did perform statistically better against the top defense than everyone's favorite golden boy did against the league's #2 defense. But it didn't matter because the Steelers are a better team than the Redskins-- and that's something that nobody can argue against.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Someone said that Ramsey played better than Roethlisberger yesterday - as if that were really important.

Let me show you how meaningless single game stats can be in terms of evaluating the overall value of players.

Yesterday:


Roethlisberger 9 for 20; 131 yards; 0 TDs; 0 INT; sacked 4 times

Ramsey 19 for 34; 138 yards; 1 TD; 1 INT; sacked 5 times

AJ Feeley 17 for 33; 159 yards; 1 TD; 1 INT; sacked 1 time


So obviously, if you were starting a new team and had to take a QB and these were the three options open to you, you'd take AJ Feeley, right? And of course Roethlisberger is clearly the worst of the lot, right?

let me show you why you think those stats are misleading:

Defensive Ratings:
Pittsburg: #1, #3 passing (244ypg, 169 passing (54.5% completion), 36 sacks)
Washington: #2, #5 passing (267ypg, 176 passing (58% completion), 27 sacks)
San Fransisco: #14, #17 passing (325ypg, 211 passing (62% completion), 22 sacks)

roth got 45% completion vs a 58% completion defense
feeley got 51.5 completion vs a 62% completion defense
ramsey got 56% completion vs a 54.5% completion defense

if you include the relevant information, they're on target...