Matt Cassell: Joke or No Joke

[30gut]

Originally Posted by irish

I think the system helps but he is good. I doubt Campbell could have been dropped in there after Brady went down and lead them to 11-5. I think any team Cassell goes to will be better. Just look at Atlanta, Balt, & Miami, they got good QBs and it turned their teams around.

Woah, woah, you don't think Campbell could have been drop into Cassel situation and done the same if not better?

WHAT?

Matt Cassel
TDS
21
INT
11
YDS
3,693
RTG
89.4

Jason Campbell
TDS
13
INT
6
YDS
3,245
RTG
84.3

Answer this question?

How can Jason who put up similiar numbers under far worse circumstances be the lesser of the 2 QBs?

Consider:
-Rookie HC vs. the Hoody
-Rookie playcaller & OC/ vs Josh McDaniels one the best young offensive minds
-1st year in new offense/ 3 years in a proven system watching Brady do it the right way
- inferior receiveing corps/ Randy Moss vs. Santana Moss or Wes Welker vs. Randle El
- inferior offensive line ( see previos post)

C'mon people were better then this right?

[mredskins]

C'mon people were better then this right?[/quote]

That sounds like something my fifth grade teacher would say. Weak.

[irish]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Woah, woah, you don't think Campbell could have been drop into Cassel situation and done the same if not better?

WHAT?

Matt Cassel
TDS
21
INT
11
YDS
3,693
RTG
89.4

Jason Campbell
TDS
13
INT
6
YDS
3,245
RTG
84.3

Answer this question?

How can Jason who put up similiar numbers under far worse circumstances be the lesser of the 2 QBs?

Consider:
-Rookie HC vs. the Hoody
-Rookie playcaller & OC/ vs Josh McDaniels one the best young offensive minds
-1st year in new offense/ 3 years in a proven system watching Brady do it the right way
- inferior receiveing corps/ Randy Moss vs. Santana Moss or Wes Welker vs. Randle El
- inferior offensive line ( see previos post)

C'mon people were better then this right?

The Skins record shows what they are, an 8-8 team. His numbers show he's the lesser QB because he has lesser numbers than Cassell. There is no way JC could have gone up there and thrown 21 TD passes, he just isnt an accurate enough passer to do that.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by irish

His numbers show he's the lesser QB because he has lesser numbers than Cassell

What?

Cassel only managed to put up slightly better numbers then Campbell yet Cassel was handed the keys to one of, if not the most potent passing attacks NFL history.

Follow me here.

If Jason can put up nearly the same numbers with a far less talented supporting cast then Cassel.
Doesn't it makes sense that Jason would do better with Cassel's supporting cast?

[irish]

Originally Posted by 30gut

What?

Cassel only managed to put up slightly better numbers then Campbell yet Cassel was handed the keys to one of, if not the most potent passing attacks NFL history.

Follow me here.

If Jason can put up nearly the same numbers with a far less talented supporting cast then Cassel.
Doesn't it makes sense that Jason would do better with Cassel's supporting cast?

He was handed the keys but he didnt wreck the car. In fact he drove the car to a nice finish. People dont seem to take into account that he could have played bad and not won games but he didnt screw up and led the team to 11 wins in his first season as QB. Does JC have 11 wins total yet?

If JC was put into NE this year they would never have won 11 games because JC isnt accurate enough (his accuracy numbers are worse than MC throwing almost exclusively dink & dump passes) to make NE's O roll. He would bring NE down.

If MC played for the Skins this year I doubt he would have done much better than JC because the Skins just arent that good a team. With a good team MC will 10 times out of 10 end up getting the team to a better record than JC.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

He was handed the keys but he didnt wreck the car. In fact he drove the car to a nice finish. People dont seem to take into account that he could have played bad and not won games but he didnt screw up and led the team to 11 wins in his first season as QB. Does JC have 11 wins total yet?

If JC was put into NE this year they would never have won 11 games because JC isnt accurate enough (his accuracy numbers are worse than MC throwing almost exclusively dink & dump passes) to make NE's O roll. He would bring NE down.

If MC played for the Skins this year I doubt he would have done much better than JC because the Skins just arent that good a team. With a good team MC will 10 times out of 10 end up getting the team to a better record than JC.

If Cassell was on the Skins this year, he would have done no better than JC? But if JC was on NE they "never" would have won 11 games? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If MC is so much better, wouldn't he have won a few more games for us? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, Brady won 3 Super Bowls with the likes of Troy Brown, David Givens, and Deion Branch, and had a 30 something Corey Dillon running the ball. It's not like he had a star studded cast during that 4 season tear.

NE had the most team rushing yards in about 20 years this season. Belicheck wisely adjusted his game plan to help out the young kid. And NE didn't throw a lot of vertical stuff either. Sure, the occasional deep shot to R.Moss because he can jump up and go get anything, but their offense was far from vertical this season - see Wes Welker's 109 catches, most of which were dinks.

All that, and MC had a completion % less than one point better than JC.

You mean to tell me if the Redskins swapped receiving corps with NE that JC's numbers wouldn't look a lot better, and Cassell's wouldn't look worse? I'm not buying that for one second.

NE has much better receiving options and an offense that has been fully installed for years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Cassell was on the Skins this year, he would have done no better than JC? But if JC was on NE they "never" would have won 11 games? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If MC is so much better, wouldn't he have won a few more games for us? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, Brady won 3 Super Bowls with the likes of Troy Brown, David Givens, and Deion Branch, and had a 30 something Corey Dillon running the ball. It's not like he had a star studded cast during that 4 season tear.

NE had the most team rushing yards in about 20 years this season. Belicheck wisely adjusted his game plan to help out the young kid. And NE didn't throw a lot of vertical stuff either. Sure, the occasional deep shot to R.Moss because he can jump up and go get anything, but their offense was far from vertical this season - see Wes Welker's 109 catches, most of which were dinks. All that, and MC had a completion % less than one point better than JC.

It makes sense if you're hell bent on bashing JC.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Cassell was on the Skins this year, he would have done no better than JC? But if JC was on NE they "never" would have won 11 games? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If MC is so much better, wouldn't he have won a few more games for us? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, Brady won 3 Super Bowls with the likes of Troy Brown, David Givens, and Deion Branch, and had a 30 something Corey Dillon running the ball. It's not like he had a star studded cast during that 4 season tear.

NE had the most team rushing yards in about 20 years this season. Belicheck wisely adjusted his game plan to help out the young kid. And NE didn't throw a lot of vertical stuff either. Sure, the occasional deep shot to R.Moss because he can jump up and go get anything, but their offense was far from vertical this season - see Wes Welker's 109 catches, most of which were dinks.

All that, and MC had a completion % less than one point better than JC.

You mean to tell me if the Redskins swapped receiving corps with NE that JC's numbers wouldn't look a lot better, and Cassell's wouldn't look worse? I'm not buying that for one second.

NE has much better receiving options and an offense that has been fully installed for years.

If Wash & NE swapped receiving corps I think MC's would go up and JC's would go down because MC would throw more short passes which I think he would complete a bunch of. JC would likely throw deeper more often and he just isnt good at that so IMO it possible his % would go down.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

If Wash & NE swapped receiving corps I think MC's would go up and JC's would go down because MC would throw more short passes which I think he would complete a bunch of. JC would likely throw deeper more often and he just isnt good at that so IMO it possible his % would go down.

That's funny to me.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by irish

If Wash & NE swapped receiving corps I think MC's would go up and JC's would go down because MC would throw more short passes which I think he would complete a bunch of. JC would likely throw deeper more often and he just isnt good at that so IMO it possible his % would go down.

Wow!