I guess no one likes VC.

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When VC provides a good on field product I'll like him. In his 7-8 years here he has not.

He has not made good coaching hires, he has missed on players just as much as he's hit w/ players, he's not handled contracts very well, he's not handled the draft very well. He deserved to be fired after this year, but hey might as well stick w/ it one more year right.

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Originally Posted by redsk1

When VC provides a good on field product I'll like him. In his 7-8 years here he has not.

He has not made good coaching hires, he has missed on players just as much as he's hit w/ players, he's not handled contracts very well, he's not handled the draft very well. He deserved to be fired after this year, but hey might as well stick w/ it one more year right.

I think you may need to point the finger more at Snyder over the issues you brought up. Snyder has always handled the contracts and up until the Zorn hire I don't think VC had much say in the coaching hires. And the level of his input over player moves and drafts up until last year is debatable at best.

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you may need to point the finger more at Snyder over the issues you brought up. Snyder has always handled the contracts and up until the Zorn hire I don't think VC had much say in the coaching hires. And the level of his input over player moves and drafts up until last year is debatable at best.

You're right, it is debatable. We really don't know who made decision up until a year ago.

I tend to think that no one else is higher than VC in the FO for the last 8 years or so. Sure JG's had a fancy President title, but it was a 3 headed monster w/ JG, VC and DS. How do we make some of these mistakes w/out VC standing up saying that signing B Lloyd and giving him a new contract is a major mistake (insert A Carter, AA, TJ Duckett, you get the point)? Granted he most likely made the decision (he admitted as much), but how can this happen on his watch? How could he not have major issues w/ this? How could he in good faith be a part of such strange personel moves?

You're right in that i'm sure DS get's involved and I'm sure coaches get involved but you can't let some of these things happen.

VC has been a constant for our losing organization. Let's start over. Give him one more year w/ Zorn. If no playoffs...let's start over.