Observation on Campbell

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by davy

Anybody else notice that the people who have criticised Campbell on this thread are quite happy for others to come on and defend him, yet the defenders quickly resort to insults and ridiculous accusations of racism when anybody disagrees with them?

Strange that.

As the guy who brought up the race issue I just want to point out why .

I gone through countless Anti Campbell threads and other posters have said all I have come across is :

"I am not sold on him", "he is inaccurate", "he is a turnover machine" (- Which made me laugh) "He holds onto the ball too long","he is slow", "too laid back", "I just don't like him" etc etc .

Yes I would like to see more from him but what I have seen, keeping the team in games, bringing us from behind, making gutsy calls plays and year on year improvements, willingness to put the time in the film room and training ground is something I like to see from the QB .

If someone, anyone could give me concrete reasons why Campbell should not at least be given a chance to be the Redskins QB of the future other than jut a "feeling" or a stereotype I would be glad to debate it with them .

I am not a reverse bigot, I think anyone should make their way in the world based on merit, it shouldn't matter about race religion sexual preference or anything else .

The problem is the world isn't like that and these things do make a difference.


I wasn't isolating anyone and calling them a racist . I am not using it as an insult, if you see it like that then maybe that is your problem not mine .


People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

[30gut]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

Some fans refuse to see any of Campbell's merits. Despite the actual numbers he's put up and praise from current NFL experts.
They down play any of Campbell strengths in order to level dubious claims that he lacks some intangible 'it' factor and therefore isn't good.

I'm sure their might be some left over stereotypes about black quarterbacks that may be behind some peoples opinions of Campbell. There was a time when many black QBs had a hard road to the NFL as a QB and many switched from QB to another position like DB when coming into the league. (e.g. Tony Dungy)

Dungy was recruited by University of Minnesota coach Cal Stoll and played for the Golden Gophers from 1973 to 1976. He entered the starting lineup as a quarterback during his freshman year and after playing for four years finished as Minnesota's career leader in pass attempts (576), completions (274), touchdown passes (25), and passing yards (3,577).[5] He also finished fourth in career total offense in the Big Ten Conference. He received Minnesota's Most Valuable Player award twice.[5]

But based on the level of the arguements going on in this thread i thought this wouldn't be the place to have this discussion.

But, you're right, it is naive to think that race/stereotypes about black QB may not have a role in how some fans view Campbell's performance. I just thought it was understood.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

As the guy who brought up the race issue I just want to point out why .

I gone through countless Anti Campbell threads and other posters have said all I have come across is :

"I am not sold on him", "he is inaccurate", "he is a turnover machine" (- Which made me laugh) "He holds onto the ball too long","he is slow", "too laid back", "I just don't like him" etc etc .

Yes I would like to see more from him but what I have seen, keeping the team in games, bringing us from behind, making gutsy calls plays and year on year improvements, willingness to put the time in the film room and training ground is something I like to see from the QB .

If someone, anyone could give me concrete reasons why Campbell should not at least be given a chance to be the Redskins QB of the future other than jut a "feeling" or a stereotype I would be glad to debate it with them .

I am not a reverse bigot, I think anyone should make their way in the world based on merit, it shouldn't matter about race religion sexual preference or anything else .

The problem is the world isn't like that and these things do make a difference.


I wasn't isolating anyone and calling them a racist . I am not using it as an insult, if you see it like that then maybe that is your problem not mine .


People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

Why don't you show us some of these "concrete" racial reasons that people do not like Campbell before you come out a say something related to race. I haven't seen 1 post on here where someone was using race as a reason for Campbell's average play. So where are you getting your ideas of race being the reason??

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Why don't you show us some of these "concrete" racial reasons that people do not like Campbell before you come out a say something related to race. I haven't seen 1 post on here where someone was using race as a reason for Campbell's average play. So where are you getting your ideas of race being the reason??

There is little concrete evidence race is an issue I only suggested it might be an issue but there is plenty of evidence to suggest people are using Jasons colour as a reason to profile him as either slow or inaccurate .

Is Eli Manning inaccurate, how about Ben Rothlesberger or Tony Romo ? How about Kerry Collins, Kyle Orton, jake Dellhomme ? This year is the first time Eli has completed more than 60% of his passes ever in his career yet Campbell who threw more and completed more passes is labled the inaccurate one, how is that right ?

You would think if he was slow and telegraphed his passes was slow on his release and locked onto one reciever then NFL quality DBs would feast upon him, yet we played the 1,2,3,5 and 7th ranked pass defenses, we played teams which ranked 1,2,7,9 and 14th in team inteceptions, sometimes more than once, this season yet Campbell comes out of the season with only 6 interceptions ... How do those facts gel ? If he is slow and telegraphs all his passes and cannot read defenses .

[SirClintonPortis]

I don't think race has anything significant to do with it. I think it's simply pissed off fans doing armchair 'analysis' of what happened on their television screen with an extremely selective memory of what actually happened and using their emotional responses to what happened as 'evidence'.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I don't think race has anything significant to do with it. I think it's simply pissed off fans doing armchair 'analysis' of what happened on their television screen with an extremely selective memory of what actually happened and using their emotional responses to what happened as 'evidence'.

And that doesn't have to do with a lot of players switching positions either. A lot of QBs have switched to TE, WR, etc.. some guys just aren't NFL QB's.. we'll see that with the Golden Boy Tebow if everyone's analysis is correct. He's white too

[Ruhskins]

Can we just get the thread locked, this is getting out of control.