Hypothetical Favre Speculative

[sportscurmudgeon]

maroonandblack30:

Tarvaris Jackson is not a good QB at the NFL level; no argument there. He may never become a good QB at the NFL level; time will tell. But if he is the worst you have ever seen play, then one of two things is true:

1. You haven't watched NFL football games for very long, or

2. You need to hold your breath because there are some bad QBs out there that you are about to see.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Bruce Gradkowski and Ken Dorsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Kellen Clements.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Cleo Lemon.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Dan Orlovsky, Drew Stanton and the other Lions' QB whose name escapes me at the moment.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Jordan Palmer.

Tarvaris Jackson is about the same as Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Patrick Ramsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Mark Brunell.

Those are just a few of the people currently employed in the NFL as QBs who are not as good as Tarvaris Jackson and who play worse than he does.

If you want to go back into history to find some truly bad QBs, start by looking through the ranks of those who have played QB for the Chicago Bears since Sid Luckman retired in the 50s.

The Vikings should be looking to upgrade the QB position in the off-season but keep in mind that they can do worse than what they have...

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

maroonandblack30:

Tarvaris Jackson is not a good QB at the NFL level; no argument there. He may never become a good QB at the NFL level; time will tell. But if he is the worst you have ever seen play, then one of two things is true:

1. You haven't watched NFL football games for very long, or

2. You need to hold your breath because there are some bad QBs out there that you are about to see.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Bruce Gradkowski and Ken Dorsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Kellen Clements.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Cleo Lemon.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Dan Orlovsky, Drew Stanton and the other Lions' QB whose name escapes me at the moment.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Jordan Palmer.

Tarvaris Jackson is about the same as Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Patrick Ramsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Mark Brunell.

Those are just a few of the people currently employed in the NFL as QBs who are not as good as Tarvaris Jackson and who play worse than he does.

If you want to go back into history to find some truly bad QBs, start by looking through the ranks of those who have played QB for the Chicago Bears since Sid Luckman retired in the 50s.

The Vikings should be looking to upgrade the QB position in the off-season but keep in mind that they can do worse than what they have...

Thanks for the thesis but I said STARTING QB. Little different.

I would argue that Fitzpatrick and Orlovsky are better than Jackson too...but I won't since it isn't worth the effort....they all suck to varying degrees

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

maroonandblack30:

Tarvaris Jackson is not a good QB at the NFL level; no argument there. He may never become a good QB at the NFL level; time will tell. But if he is the worst you have ever seen play, then one of two things is true:

1. You haven't watched NFL football games for very long, or

2. You need to hold your breath because there are some bad QBs out there that you are about to see.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Bruce Gradkowski and Ken Dorsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Kellen Clements.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Cleo Lemon.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Dan Orlovsky, Drew Stanton and the other Lions' QB whose name escapes me at the moment.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Jordan Palmer.

Tarvaris Jackson is about the same as Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Patrick Ramsey.

Tarvaris Jackson is better than Mark Brunell.

Those are just a few of the people currently employed in the NFL as QBs who are not as good as Tarvaris Jackson and who play worse than he does.

If you want to go back into history to find some truly bad QBs, start by looking through the ranks of those who have played QB for the Chicago Bears since Sid Luckman retired in the 50s.

The Vikings should be looking to upgrade the QB position in the off-season but keep in mind that they can do worse than what they have...

Dude he is not better than Brunell. Granted he wasn't the greatest towards the end of his carreer, but look at overall numbers and they are pretty damn good.

[sportscurmudgeon]

hooskins:

In 2007 and 08, Tarvaris Jackson is a better QB than Mark Brunell. And he will be better than Brunell in 2009 too. Brunell went over the waterfall somewhere around the middle of 2006.


maroonandblack30:

JaMarcus Russel starts most of the time for the Raiders. Tarvaris Jackson is as good as Russell and maybe better.


Shaun Hill started most of the later games this year for the 49ers. Is he that much better than Jackson? I think they are equally mediocre/suub-par.


If you call Alex Smith or JT O'Sullivan the starting QB for the 49ers, then Jackson is better than both of them.


Brodie Croyle was the starter in KC until he was hurt. Jackson is not worse than Croyle - - he's not much better either.


Tyler Thigpen took over for Croyle. Jackson is probably a bit worse than Thigpen but not a lot.


None of the Browns' QBs - as in not a single one of the four who started games thie year - showed in 2008 that they were any better than Tarvaris Jackson except for the fact that two of them (Anderson and Quinn) both make tons more money than Jackson does.


Remember, I said that Jackson was not a good NFL QB and may never turn into one. But he isn't the worst QB in the NFL and he isn't the worst starting QB in the NFL.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

hooskins:

In 2007 and 08, Tarvaris Jackson is a better QB than Mark Brunell. And he will be better than Brunell in 2009 too. Brunell went over the waterfall somewhere around the middle of 2006.

First of all if we look career-wise it is not even a comparison. Otherwise the old Brunell vs Tavaris are quite similar. 04 was just a terrible year for Brunell's otherwise consistent performance. The numbers would be even higher if it weren't for that

Brunell
completion %:59.6
Tds:182
Ints: 106
tds/ints:1.72
rating: 84.2

Brunell as a Redskin:
completion %:56.6
Tds:38
Ints: 20
tds/ints:1.9
rating: 78.77

Jackson 07 and 08:
completion %: 58.65
Tds:18
Ints: 14
tds/ints:1.29
rating:83.1

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by hooskins

First of all if we look career-wise it is not even a comparison. Otherwise the old Brunell vs Tavaris are quite similar. 04 was just a terrible year for Brunell's otherwise consistent performance. The numbers would be even higher if it weren't for that

Brunell
completion %:59.6
Tds:182
Ints: 106
tds/ints:1.72
rating: 84.2

Brunell as a Redskin:
completion %:56.6
Tds:38
Ints: 20
tds/ints:1.9
rating: 78.77

Jackson 07 and 08:
completion %: 58.65
Tds:18
Ints: 14
tds/ints:1.29
rating:83.1

Good Lord Brunell was bad w/ us. Considering how much of an upgrade JC has been (and the numbers can't relate the mobility factor) one might think the kid could catch a break.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Good Lord Brunell was bad w/ us. Considering how much of an upgrade JC has been (and the numbers can't relate the mobility factor) one might think the kid could catch a break.

he wasnt as bad as you think just one REALLY bad year in 04.

Brunell 04
comp %: 49.8
Tds:7
Ints:6
rating:63.9

Without this year, in 05 and 06 Brunell had around a 60 % completion and 85 % QB rating. Pretty darn good. SC is probably going to say it is unfair to take away that first year, but I did take away Tavaris' first year as a rookie.

If we include those numbers(which are terrible) Tavaris' numbers drop pretty quickly.