Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Though to be accurate, if you're going to cut a DT like Griffin, you'd have to add 2 DTs in order to build depth.

If we're going to take 1 step back by cutting still-starting quality players, we'll have to find a way to replace them without breaking the bank, or we'll get worse.

Maybe that's what needs to happen, maybe we have to shed the old guys and get worse before we get better. But I've got to emphasize that, if we get rid of all our older players chances are we'll get worse this season, because we don't have the picks to fill the holes through the draft like the Ravens did (as mentioned in the post article), and it's not that easy to fit that many quality players under the cap via free agency.

I don't think we should get rid of ALL of our older players, but we should be selective and not be so damn worried about keeping together a core group for a "one last run at it" kind of thing. The Ravens, Flacons, and Dolphins all proved that if you build the lines, you can succeed (overnight) in spite of other weaknesses. IMO, we should adopt that strategy and move forward.

[Hog1]

Trying to look at this from another slant.....maybe, and there's the Vinnie. IMO there are many ways to creatively build a team and not isolated to soley the draft, FA only, Divine intervention, etc.
That having been said, much has been said of late regarding the Skins trouble in fielding the team they are "paying for". Additionally, it has been suggested (by several people that should know) that VC is not a bad FO guy. NOT a good one either......average. If you have ever heard him speak for any length of time it is apparent, he has an ego. I think in his mind he is the second coming of Bobby Beatherd, and delivering inspired work through brilliant thought process, in creative ways and means. I disagree. I think as has been stated that he is hovering somewhere around average.
I think if you are not succesfully breaking new ground, and developing great success through previously unthought of means.............you should stick to ways that most "plodders" can also have prosperity.
Stick with the draft, and keep your nose in the wind for the occasional FA bargain, and undrafted UM grad/soon to be star.

[Schneed10]

Nice post by JLC here, giving some source info on potential player personnel decisions. The numbers never lie; much of what he says here jives with the top post in this thread.

Initial Personnel Ratings Completed - Redskins Insider

Griffin is likely to stay, Washington is almost surely gone, Jason Taylor and Shawn Springs are up in the air - the team intends to approach them with paycuts/restructuring possibilities, but JLC believes they're not likely to be receptive.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Nice post by JLC here, giving some source info on potential player personnel decisions. The numbers never lie; much of what he says here jives with the top post in this thread.

Initial Personnel Ratings Completed - Redskins Insider

Griffin is likely to stay, Washington is almost surely gone, Jason Taylor and Shawn Springs are up in the air - the team intends to approach them with paycuts/restructuring possibilities, but JLC believes they're not likely to be receptive.

Disappointing to hear that they don't think Rinehart is at least ready to compete for significant playing time in 2009. Maybe I was actually wrong about him. Wouldn't that be something?!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Disappointing to hear that they don't think Rinehart is at least ready to compete for significant playing time in 2009. Maybe I was actually wrong about him. Wouldn't that be something?!

I am much like Desert Storm I.........Shocked and Awed!

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am much like Desert Storm I.........Shocked and Awed!

You mean "Operation Iraqi Freedom". In Desert Storm they just Rock and Rolled.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Disappointing to hear that they don't think Rinehart is at least ready to compete for significant playing time in 2009. Maybe I was actually wrong about him. Wouldn't that be something?!

yeah, to me that was the worst news (assuming accuracy) of the article. I wonder if he can be coached up along w/lots of work in the offseason to get him to the point that by maybe mid season when we'll need him, he'd be ready to step in for whoever is injured? Or if they seriously question his long-term ability to ever start in the nfl.

Just goes to show us again how the lack of picks over the years comes back to bite us. Because they're always trading picks, the lack thereof means that the ones they have need to be starters. Little to no margin of error for each pick.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

yeah, to me that was the worst news (assuming accuracy) of the article. I wonder if he can be coached up along w/lots of work in the offseason to get him to the point that by maybe mid season when we'll need him, he'd be ready to step in for whoever is injured? Or if they seriously question his long-term ability to ever start in the nfl.

Just goes to show us again how the lack of picks over the years comes back to bite us. Because they're always trading picks, the lack thereof means that the ones they have need to be starters. Little to no margin of error for each pick.

*Wouldn't be the first time LaConfora is wrong!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

yeah, to me that was the worst news (assuming accuracy) of the article. I wonder if he can be coached up along w/lots of work in the offseason to get him to the point that by maybe mid season when we'll need him, he'd be ready to step in for whoever is injured? Or if they seriously question his long-term ability to ever start in the nfl.

Just goes to show us again how the lack of picks over the years comes back to bite us. Because they're always trading picks, the lack thereof means that the ones they have need to be starters. Little to no margin of error for each pick.

You gotta wonder what it is he did or didn't do to make them change their minds on him, because it's not like he had ample playing time in games.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You gotta wonder what it is he did or didn't do to make them change their minds on him, because it's not like he had ample playing time in games.

He is showing the coaches in practice that he does not have the ability to play on an NFL field.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Nice post by JLC here, giving some source info on potential player personnel decisions. The numbers never lie; much of what he says here jives with the top post in this thread.

Initial Personnel Ratings Completed - Redskins Insider

Griffin is likely to stay, Washington is almost surely gone, Jason Taylor and Shawn Springs are up in the air - the team intends to approach them with paycuts/restructuring possibilities, but JLC believes they're not likely to be receptive.

This process that JLC is referring to by the way is basically what I was explaining here.

http://www.thewarpath.net/523135-post23.html

Though it seems I forgot to include the part where they review their own players before the meeting to discuss free agents

[Son Of Man]

PLLLLEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE

Cut Springs!

[Son Of Man]

Building a team takes time. We have some pieces in place but we need to keep getting younger. The team should look to accumulate as many draft picks as possible and be weary of signing any free agents that are over the age of 27. Build from the trenches outward. How do you think the Gibbs/Casserly combo won 3 titles with 3 different "veteran" quaterbacks?

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Building a team takes time. We have some pieces in place but we need to keep getting younger. The team should look to accumulate as many draft picks as possible and be weary of signing any free agents that are over the age of 27. Build from the trenches outward. How do you think the Gibbs/Casserly combo won 3 titles with 3 different "veteran" quaterbacks?

casserly was gm for only 1 of those titles

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Just read JLCs new article after my previous post, so its got me thinking slightly differently.

JLC has been reporting for over a month that the team doesnt like Rinehart.

I like the fact that Bugel is finally admitting that his old guys dont cut it, cut its saddening to hear that we wont really try to do anything about it.

I do not understand why on earth we would try to keep Griffin without asking him to take a reduced salary. Good to know Taylor will probably be gone and likely Springs too (at least at his salary). I wouldnt mind extending Springs at a reduced annual salary (no more than 3.5M/year), moving him to FS and Landry to SS, but i think Springs would rather be a FA and sign with Dallas.

The only thing I can think of to explain the FOs thinking here is if we plan on letting our defense suffer another year so we can focus in the draft soley on offensive line.

That logic makes sense to a degree:
-our defense was our strength last year
-Its JCs contract year (and essentially the same for Zorn) and we need to get them as much help as possible on offense to see if theyre worth keeping around...

I personally dont know if I agree with the strategy (assuming its their strategy). What do you guys think?