The Real Problem of the Redskins ...

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The same genius who had to have Brunell?

Sticking with Brunell was a mistake I am not going to defend. None the less, Gibbs was the only coach to succeed under Snyder. In large part because Snyder did not interfere in the football operations ie picking players soley because they were a big name star.

If there was a proper GM here under Gibbs' second coming he would have been a lot more successful. As it stood Danny boy was largely responsible for some of the gaffs Joe suffered from, by not be able to supply him with all the tools he needed.

Once again how many of Snyder's past coaches have done as well as Gibbs? For that matter, lets see how well many of his future coaches do.

[dmek25]

i will never bitch about Snyder. i think we are all in agreement he wants to win. and i would much rather have an owner that spends money, although maybe not the right way, then one who sits back and pretty much does nothing. perfect example is Jason Taylor. Phil Daniels gets injured late, and the skins definitely need a defensive end. so Snyder goes out and fills a need. was it the right move? probably not. but he did what he thought was right.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i will never bitch about Snyder. i think we are all in agreement he wants to win. and i would much rather have an owner that spends money, although maybe not the right way, then one who sits back and pretty much does nothing. perfect example is Jason Taylor. Phil Daniels gets injured late, and the skins definitely need a defensive end. so Snyder goes out and fills a need. was it the right move? probably not. but he did what he thought was right.

I don't have a problem with an owner who wants to spend money. That's not the issue here. The difference is that there are owners who spend money on players that are recommended by hired hands who know football, and who can be trusted to make the right decisions with regard to player-personnel. Dan Snyder is an owner who has hired someone who has failed at player-personnel, and continues to take his advice. That's the problem.

And as long as Snyder defers to the judgement of Vinny Cerrato, Snyder will continue to take the criticism he so richly deserves. So the writer of this column is exactly right.

Apart from the 1999 team, (since he had no part in constructing it) there have been three 8-8 seasons, four losing seasons, and just two winning seasons with a couple of last place wildcard appearances. If he were to assume control of any other organization that had amassed those results he would have fired everyone from the top down. It's time for him to do the same of himself.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't have a problem with an owner who wants to spend money. That's not the issue here. The difference is that there are owners who spend money on players that are recommended by hired hands who know football, and who can be trusted to make the right decisions with regard to player-personnel. Dan Snyder is an owner who has hired someone who has failed at player-personnel, and continues to take his advice. That's the problem.

And as long as Snyder defers to the judgement of Vinny Cerrato, Snyder will continue to take the criticism he so richly deserves. So the writer of this column is exactly right.

Apart from the 1999 team, (since he had no part in constructing it) there have been three 8-8 seasons, four losing seasons, and just two winning seasons with a couple of last place wildcard appearances. If he were to assume control of any other organization that had amassed those results he would have fired everyone from the top down. It's time for him to do the same of himself.

I am so confused?? Does Snyder defer to Cerrato, but Cerrato is Snyder's Yes man so Snyder must make the call, but he defers to Cerrato.
We have had growing pains with Snyder, but he was is and will be the BOA (best owner available) to the Redskins.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am so confused?? Does Snyder defer to Cerrato, but Cerrato is Snyder's Yes man so Snyder must make the call, but he defers to Cerrato.
We have had growing pains with Snyder, but he was is and will be the BOA (best owner available) to the Redskins.

I never used the term "yes man". Maybe Cerrato is, maybe he isn't. Whether Snyder today is as consumed with assembling the roster as he was in 2000 with the Bruce Smith, Jeff George, and Deion acquisitions is anyone's guess.

The fact remains, this partnership, however one chooses to define it's structure or chain of command, has a losing record. And not counting Marty's year, there have been the same two guys at the helm of this ship. As for the 'best owner available', you may be right. But the key word there is 'available'.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't have a problem with an owner who wants to spend money. That's not the issue here. The difference is that there are owners who spend money on players that are recommended by hired hands who know football, and who can be trusted to make the right decisions with regard to player-personnel. Dan Snyder is an owner who has hired someone who has failed at player-personnel, and continues to take his advice. That's the problem.

This is precisely correct.

Look at the Steelers. The Rooney's don't spend money the way Snyder does, but who wins more games. Money spent well goes a lot farther than money spent extravagantly.

[irish]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i will never bitch about Snyder. i think we are all in agreement he wants to win. and i would much rather have an owner that spends money, although maybe not the right way, then one who sits back and pretty much does nothing. perfect example is Jason Taylor. Phil Daniels gets injured late, and the skins definitely need a defensive end. so Snyder goes out and fills a need. was it the right move? probably not. but he did what he thought was right.

In some ways I think that DS not being afraid to spend $ is counter-productive. IMO if DS was a bit tighter fisted it would "force" the Skins into have to be more focused and rely more on the draft which IMO would provide a stronger foundation for the team.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by irish

In some ways I think that DS not being afraid to spend $ is counter-productive. IMO if DS was a bit tighter fisted it would "force" the Skins into have to be more focused and rely more on the draft which IMO would provide a stronger foundation for the team.

That's true. Excellent point.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i will never bitch about Snyder. i think we are all in agreement he wants to win. and i would much rather have an owner that spends money, although maybe not the right way, then one who sits back and pretty much does nothing. perfect example is Jason Taylor. Phil Daniels gets injured late, and the skins definitely need a defensive end. so Snyder goes out and fills a need. was it the right move? probably not. but he did what he thought was right.

This is sort of like acting on the principle of Ready - - Fire - - Aim.


Doing something even if it is wrong is not always a good thing. Spending money on the wrong players is not a good idea. Go read the column that started this thread and look at all the great signings that resulted from Danny Boy "spending money" (Bruce Smith, Jeff George, Deion Sanders to name just a few.)


I would much rather have Danny Boy spend less money and spend it more wisely.


OH, and by the way, it was Danny Boy who personally bragged to a Wash Post reporter doing a Sunday Magazine feature story on him that HE was the one who "found" Patrick Ramsey and made sure the team took him with the Skins' first pick. Sure, Dannhy Boy owns the team and that's his right. But tell me how that all worked out.


Oh, I forgot. Ramsey was ruined by Steve Spurrier or else he would be a Pro Bowler by now.


Well, if anyone still thinks Ramsey can play, we ought to get him in free agency this year because in the last 3 years he has only thrown 52 passes so his arm should be fresh and ready... Oops, that would mean that Colt the Wonder Kid might not make the squad next year. Bad idea. Sorry.

[markymark]

hes not great but hes getting better. i think he made a good decision in jim zorn and hopefully zorn will have the time he needs to build his team

[44ever]

let's just hope Snyder keeps an interest($) in the skins

[celts32]

The only thing that keeps Snyder from being a great owner is his relationship with Vinny. His unwillingness to fire Vinny and hire a better personel man is what holds the team back. Even Jerry Jones has won when he has had Bill Parcels or Jimmy Johnson next to him helping him be a GM. Snyder has never had that because he sticks with Vinny. Basically...his involvement is not the problem...it's who he's involved with.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by celts32

The only thing that keeps Snyder from being a great owner is his relationship with Vinny. His unwillingness to fire Vinny and hire a better personel man is what holds the team back. Even Jerry Jones has won when he has had Bill Parcels or Jimmy Johnson next to him helping him be a GM. Snyder has never had that because he sticks with Vinny. Basically...his involvement is not the problem...it's who he's involved with.

Great point, kind of. But the argument revolves around Snyders involvment. Parcells or JJ. Would come here because of it. Which adds to the original argument.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Great point, kind of. But the argument revolves around Snyders involvment. Parcells or JJ. Would come here because of it. Which adds to the original argument.

Snyder is very persuasive when it comes to getting people to work for him so i don't think that is as big an issue as people make it out to be. What Snyder will have to give to get those type of people is final say over personel decisions and as long as Vinny is around he can't give that. No one really knows Snyders true involvement, but my only point is that his involvement on any level would not be a big deal if he were bouncing his ideas off of more compitent people.

[Ruhskins]

I must say that when I read this article, I thought to myself "what else is new?" I think many media outlets have mentioned this issue with Snyder...one of them (I believe) being Michael Wilbon. While it makes some good point, this article is stating the obvious. I think Snyder has made some strides, and is slowly letting go. Making Cerrato the football boss was a step, though I do know that some people find Vinny to be a Snyder "yes man", but that has yet to be seen.

A big test for DS' ownership will come at the end of the 2009 season, if the Redskins have the same type of record or a losing season, will Snyder fire the trigger? I think a situation like this will let us know whether Snyder did pull back and allow Vinny to run things, or whether he has secretly continued to be involved.