this team sucks

Daseal · 12-02-2004, 05:16 PM

You say if this were any other business people would have lost their jobs. If you're the most profitable business in a lucrative field, you aren't firing anyone. Like it or not, we're the most valued football franchise at over 1Billion dollars. No one else breaks a billion.

Get rid of Portis? Is he telling Gibbs not to give him the ball? I doubt it, that's not exactly something I could see him saying. I think we should leave the team alone for the most part. Instead of trading Gardner try to trade Coles. You will hopefully be able to get more value for him and I seriously doubt he'll ever be what he was before the turf toe. Not to mention, his contract will be hell in a few years.

Samuels should be kicked out the door if he won't restructure. For a contract like that it may be hard to get a first rounder, but here's to hoping.

Draft for WRs, OLine, and DB depth. Dline is fine atm. We don't need stars up there. It's not part of the system. Honestly, I'm all for moving to a 3-4 since we have enough talent at LB to stick around.

Barrow is a big question mark. Pierce is playing great football and Barrow is a solid player. We can't get anyone to take over the contract, but Pierce hasn't done anything to give that MLB job away. I say we try to shop him, but who knows.

Priority #1: SIGN FRED SMOOT. He is key. Keep our defense in tact for the most part. Offense make a few key adjustments.

We don't need a GM. However, we need an O coordinator on par with Greg Williams as D coordinator. If anyone can get him, we can. That man is Charlie Weiss. We can make him assistant head coach offense or some bullshit to give him the job, pay him like a head-coach, and let the offense actually do something. He's done a lot more with a lot less.

memphisskin · 12-02-2004, 05:43 PM

The only thing we need is lowered expectations. I know we say we have top 10 talent, but what we have is a top ten payroll, we are currently the 3rd worst team in the league. But I understand what you're saying, because no way our roster is the third worst in the league, but like Parcells said "you are what you are. if your record says you're 3-8, you're 3-8."

Re-sign Smoot, cut Samuels, keep Barrow (if he can come back otherwise cut him too), and by no means can we even contemplate trading Clinton Portis. Juggernaut, I think a fair punishment for you is to put a red bar of soap in your mouth and stand in the corner for bringing that up. But seriously, Portis is 23 and only going to get better. It's frustrating that he's not having the success he had in Denver, but no system I've ever seen made a move or broke a tackle or carried a ball so it must be Portis.

juggernaunt · 12-02-2004, 07:26 PM

see your wrong, name me a running back that has left denver in the past 10 years that has gone to have similar #'s. there are none.... dont get me wrong portis is a good back top 5 but he's 2 damn small for our system. your gonna tell me that stephen jackson would've done less for us this year. cant say that but he would have cost 10x's less.

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 12-02-2004, 07:40 PM

they are'nt that bad,with a few more breaks,and a lot less officiating blunders,under& over rthrows and all in all bad luck,they could easily be at 500 now.

wolfeskins · 12-02-2004, 07:51 PM

the skins don't need an overhaul, they just need time. take a look at the teams doing really well this year ( eagles, steelers, etc. ) they have had basically the same core group of guys ( players and coaches ) for a couple of years.

memphisskin · 12-03-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaunt

see your wrong, name me a running back that has left denver in the past 10 years that has gone to have similar #'s. there are none.... dont get me wrong portis is a good back top 5 but he's 2 damn small for our system. your gonna tell me that stephen jackson would've done less for us this year. cant say that but he would have cost 10x's less.

Want to know why I can't name a running back that has left Denver and had success? Because they keep those guys there. Terrell Davis was the most successful, he retired a Bronco due to injury. Gary Anderson is still there, he ran for 1400 yds. Orlandis Gary is the only other guy to have left, he ran for 1000 yds but then tore his ACL. Droughons is having success in the system now, but I remember him at Oregon as being a solid back.

I don't know that I agree with your assessment that Portis is 2 small. I've heard that from a lot of my friends, that Portis is too small for the NFC East as if somehow there is a different brand of football that is played in the NFC East than the AFC West. I don't buy that at all, because even though the defenses may not be as good in the AFC West the backs are way above par in the AFC West so the poor defensive rankings (if they even exist) could be a result of all the stud RBs in the division. Last year they boasted 3 of the top 5 backs in football with Holmes, Tomlinson and Portis.

Now I do think the system has something to do with it, and Shanahan has a dynamite system in Denver, but a lot of it is on the individual. Football is football, and Portis is a Pro Bowl back and a damn fine football player and extremely young at that. Portis has run for 4000 yds in 3 yrs, and while he's not having the success in DC that he had in Denver it's still way early to start talking about trading him. But I'm guessing most of that is just you being frustrated, and we all are.

The main problem I have with those who say Portis is too small is that by saying that they are essentially saying that they know what "Gibbs' system" needs more than Gibbs himself. I'd think the guy who actually runs the system would know what kind of pieces he needs to plug into his offense. Not to mention that the running backs coach is Ernest Byner, who ran in this system so I'd think he also knows what it takes. Portis is a home run hitter, but he's not getting many pitches to hit these days. The offensive line is probably where most of our problems lie, there aren't many holes and they can't seem to protect Ramsey.

12-02-2004, 07:40 PM	#4
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12-02-2004, 05:16 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	You say if this were any other business people would have lost their jobs. If you're the most profitable business in a lucrative field, you aren't firing anyone. Like it or not, we're the most valued football franchise at over 1Billion dollars. No one else breaks a billion. Get rid of Portis? Is he telling Gibbs not to give him the ball? I doubt it, that's not exactly something I could see him saying. I think we should leave the team alone for the most part. Instead of trading Gardner try to trade Coles. You will hopefully be able to get more value for him and I seriously doubt he'll ever be what he was before the turf toe. Not to mention, his contract will be hell in a few years. Samuels should be kicked out the door if he won't restructure. For a contract like that it may be hard to get a first rounder, but here's to hoping. Draft for WRs, OLine, and DB depth. Dline is fine atm. We don't need stars up there. It's not part of the system. Honestly, I'm all for moving to a 3-4 since we have enough talent at LB to stick around. Barrow is a big question mark. Pierce is playing great football and Barrow is a solid player. We can't get anyone to take over the contract, but Pierce hasn't done anything to give that MLB job away. I say we try to shop him, but who knows. Priority #1: SIGN FRED SMOOT. He is key. Keep our defense in tact for the most part. Offense make a few key adjustments. We don't need a GM. However, we need an O coordinator on par with Greg Williams as D coordinator. If anyone can get him, we can. That man is Charlie Weiss. We can make him assistant head coach offense or some bullshit to give him the job, pay him like a head-coach, and let the offense actually do something. He's done a lot more with a lot less.

12-02-2004, 05:43 PM	#2
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 54 Posts: 960	The only thing we need is lowered expectations. I know we say we have top 10 talent, but what we have is a top ten payroll, we are currently the 3rd worst team in the league. But I understand what you're saying, because no way our roster is the third worst in the league, but like Parcells said "you are what you are. if your record says you're 3-8, you're 3-8." Re-sign Smoot, cut Samuels, keep Barrow (if he can come back otherwise cut him too), and by no means can we even contemplate trading Clinton Portis. Juggernaut, I think a fair punishment for you is to put a red bar of soap in your mouth and stand in the corner for bringing that up. But seriously, Portis is 23 and only going to get better. It's frustrating that he's not having the success he had in Denver, but no system I've ever seen made a move or broke a tackle or carried a ball so it must be Portis.

12-02-2004, 07:26 PM	#3
juggernaunt Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 47	see your wrong, name me a running back that has left denver in the past 10 years that has gone to have similar #'s. there are none.... dont get me wrong portis is a good back top 5 but he's 2 damn small for our system. your gonna tell me that stephen jackson would've done less for us this year. cant say that but he would have cost 10x's less.

12-02-2004, 07:51 PM	#5
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	the skins don't need an overhaul, they just need time. take a look at the teams doing really well this year ( eagles, steelers, etc. ) they have had basically the same core group of guys ( players and coaches ) for a couple of years.

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