Charley Casserly on CBS Pregame

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

Casserly was fired by the redskins and the Texans. Both teams had a terrible record under his GM reign. Now he's doing the media.

Unfortunately, he's still better than Vinny.

I'm not going to really blame Cerrato entirely for the Texans' futility. They were an expansion team, it's hard to expect instant success.

But anyway, it's amazing how many people seem to forget the 1990s and some of our stellar moves then (that had nothing to do with Cerrato), Harper, Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Noga, Banks. Or how about these awesome 1st round picks-Tom Carter, Andre Johnson.

Casserly's a decent executive, but let's not make him out to be some sort of God that was flawless while he was here

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not going to really blame Cerrato entirely for the Texans' futility. They were an expansion team, it's hard to expect instant success.

But anyway, it's amazing how many people seem to forget the 1990s and some of our stellar moves then (that had nothing to do with Cerrato), Harper, Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Noga, Banks. Or how about these awesome 1st round picks-Tom Carter, Andre Johnson.

Casserly's a decent executive, but let's not make him out to be some sort of God that was flawless while he was here

On this board,....I actually could see some people blaming Cerrato for the Texans futility. I probaby had forgotten some of the decisions Casserly made in the past. Absense makes the heart grow fonder you know.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

On this board,....I actually could see some people blaming Cerrato for the Texans futility. I probaby had forgotten some of the decisions Casserly made in the past. Absense makes the heart grow fonder you know.

For a minute there I thought that you said that "Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder you know" I was thinking to myself "Get outta my head, 53"!

In regard to this thread however, I never understood why we let Casserly go in the first place, on top of that I didn't understand why the Texans did the same. He is a great football mind and has made some good decisions. His job was to bring in the talent, which he did. It is up to the coach to get them to win...but Casserly got fired.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Angry

For a minute there I thought that you said that "Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder you know" I was thinking to myself "Get outta my head, 53"!

In regard to this thread however, I never understood why we let Casserly go in the first place, on top of that I didn't understand why the Texans did the same. He is a great football mind and has made some good decisions. His job was to bring in the talent, which he did. It is up to the coach to get them to win...but Casserly got fired.

Well.......I've heard that works too!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

On this board,....I actually could see some people blaming Cerrato for the Texans futility. I probaby had forgotten some of the decisions Casserly made in the past. Absense makes the heart grow fonder you know.

LOL. I meant Casserly of course

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

On this board,....I actually could see some people blaming Cerrato for the Texans futility. I probaby had forgotten some of the decisions Casserly made in the past. Absense makes the heart grow fonder you know.

lol hell why not? Let's just pin blame on him for everything that is wrong with the NFL?!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not going to really blame Cerrato entirely for the Texans' futility. They were an expansion team, it's hard to expect instant success.

But anyway, it's amazing how many people seem to forget the 1990s and some of our stellar moves then (that had nothing to do with Cerrato), Harper, Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Noga, Banks. Or how about these awesome 1st round picks-Tom Carter, Andre Johnson.

Casserly's a decent executive, but let's not make him out to be some sort of God that was flawless while he was here

He also put together a damn good 91 SB winning team w/ guys like Jumpy Geathers, Tim Johnson, Fred Stokes, Earnest Byner, Ricky Ervins, Jim Lachey, Wilbur Marshall ... I can keep going. Yes he made some bad moves when free agency first started. But I'd take Charley back over Vinny any day. You can just listen to the two men talk and tell who is more knowledgeable.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He also put together a damn good 91 SB winning team w/ guys like Jumpy Geathers, Tim Johnson, Fred Stokes, Earnest Byner, Ricky Ervins, Jim Lachey, Wilbur Marshall ... I can keep going. Yes he made some bad moves when free agency first started. But I'd take Charley back over Vinny any day. You can just listen to the two men talk and tell who is more knowledgeable.

We finally agree on something . Drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush was a good decision in his part despite people all over criticizing this move (including me). I'd take Casserly over Cerrato any day.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He also put together a damn good 91 SB winning team w/ guys like Jumpy Geathers, Tim Johnson, Fred Stokes, Earnest Byner, Ricky Ervins, Jim Lachey, Wilbur Marshall ... I can keep going. Yes he made some bad moves when free agency first started. But I'd take Charley back over Vinny any day. You can just listen to the two men talk and tell who is more knowledgeable.

I don't think he was the GM when Lachey and Marshall were brought in. Ervins was ok for a third round pick, but given the same opportunities 7th rounder Rock Cartwright would probably be nearly as effective. Byner for Oliphant was a steal. We could use another Sotkes or Johnson. When we acquired Geathers, he was older than Andre Carter when we got him and Carter has given us nearly twice as many sacks.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think he was the GM when Lachey and Marshall were brought in. Ervins was ok for a third round pick, but given the same opportunities 7th rounder Rock Cartwright would probably be nearly as effective. Byner for Oliphant was a steal. We could use another Sotkes or Johnson. When we acquired Geathers, he was older than Andre Carter when we got him and Carter has given us nearly twice as many sacks.

Geathers job was simply to cave in the pocket, not to be an every down starter like they're doing with Carter. His sack total may not have been high but he was very disruptive forve. Basically my point was Casserly put together a team, guys he thought could play well together, not a cast of superstars. I remember bringing in RC Theilmann and drafting Martin Mayhew, or how about Brad Edwards who could've won the MVP of that SB. I just want a guy that knows how to build a team or has experience in doing it.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Geathers job was simply to cave in the pocket, not to be an every down starter like they're doing with Carter. His sack total may not have been high but he was very disruptive forve. Basically my point was Casserly put together a team, guys he thought could play well together, not a cast of superstars. I remember bringing in RC Theilmann and drafting Martin Mayhew, or how about Brad Edwards who could've won the MVP of that SB. I just want a guy that knows how to build a team or has experience in doing it.

Don't forget he also brought Matt Millen. Jumpy Geathers was a beast of a man, I remember seen him pick Guy McIntery of the 49ers and toss him to the ground like a ragdoll.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Don't forget he also brought Matt Millen. Jumpy Geathers was a beast of a man, I remember seen him pick Guy McIntery of the 49ers and toss him to the ground like a ragdoll.

I think he called that move the "Forklift".

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Geathers job was simply to cave in the pocket, not to be an every down starter like they're doing with Carter. His sack total may not have been high but he was very disruptive forve. Basically my point was Casserly put together a team, guys he thought could play well together, not a cast of superstars. I remember bringing in RC Theilmann and drafting Martin Mayhew, or how about Brad Edwards who could've won the MVP of that SB. I just want a guy that knows how to build a team or has experience in doing it.

All good points.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He also put together a damn good 91 SB winning team w/ guys like Jumpy Geathers, Tim Johnson, Fred Stokes, Earnest Byner, Ricky Ervins, Jim Lachey, Wilbur Marshall ... I can keep going. Yes he made some bad moves when free agency first started. But I'd take Charley back over Vinny any day. You can just listen to the two men talk and tell who is more knowledgeable.

Agreed. However the Gibbs '91 team fell apart quickly. Free Agency was a much tougher gig. We've not done well since then. I'm simply saying you also have to look at the rest of Casserly's GM years under Norv and the Texans for a true picture.

I think Casserly has good football knowledge and is a good commentator. He is definitely better than Vinny, but then that's not saying much.

Vinny's 2008 draft picks and FA selection was poor. Zorn and thee team will suffer if that doesn't improve.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not going to really blame Cerrato entirely for the Texans' futility. They were an expansion team, it's hard to expect instant success.

But anyway, it's amazing how many people seem to forget the 1990s and some of our stellar moves then (that had nothing to do with Cerrato), Harper, Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Noga, Banks. Or how about these awesome 1st round picks-Tom Carter, Andre Johnson.

Casserly's a decent executive, but let's not make him out to be some sort of God that was flawless while he was here

I'm not blaming Casserly for the Texans or the Redskins problems while he was GM. However, neither team did well or even average under his reign.

So I'm also not going to get all mushy about him because most have forgotten how bad these teams were back then . Nor does naming a couple good players when his team's records and most of his overall picks were sub par. If he was so good he'd be a GM or Team President like the Tuna.

BL - He was better than Norv and Vinny but there are better choices out there.