Brian Cushing

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I have to wonder what Los did to anger Blache/Grey/FO. He had his best year after a devastating injury and long rehab and if SanFran was any indication he really can catch the ball. He's also our youngest talent at corner.

... I'm pretty much lost on this one...

Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.

It would break up the most solid group (secondary) if we were to get rid of Rodgers.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

It would break up the most solid group (secondary) if we were to get rid of Rodgers.

I'm not necesarrily opposed to trading Rogers. I'm personally more worried about giving the front office another draft pick to screw up at the cost of one of our top 5 players.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm not necesarrily opposed to trading Rogers. I'm personally more worried about giving the front office another draft pick to screw up at the cost of one of our top 5 players.

Oooh.. I didn't look at it that way. I'm with you on that, Danny and Vinny will find a way to trade away first round talent for a player that probably won't be in the league in 4 years.... Here's to optimisim...

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.

I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).

That is no where near enough value. Everyone involved with the Redskins whether it be the FO or the fans seems to totally undervalue Rogers and it's probably becasue he can't catch. However, his primary job is not catching the football it's defending WR's and he's pretty damn good at it. We spent a top 10 pick on him and he's far from a bust so why should we trade him for a low #2? We should be resigning him or at least keeping him for this year and then trying to tag and trade him then if a long term deal can not be reached.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by celts32

That is no where near enough value. Everyone involved with the Redskins whether it be the FO or the fans seems to totally undervalue Rogers and it's probably becasue he can't catch. However, his primary job is not catching the football it's defending WR's and he's pretty damn good at it. We spent a top 10 pick on him and he's far from a bust so why should we trade him for a low #2? We should be resigning him or at least keeping him for this year and then trying to tag and trade him then if a long term deal can not be reached.

As I said, I am not an advocate of trading Rogers, but if he gets traded I was looking for potential landing spots. Why trade him for a low #2? Because if the Skins are intent on dealing him they aren't likely to get anything more. Look at recent trades in the NFL. The Eagles couldn't get more than a #2 for Lito Sheppard. DeAngelo Hall went for a 2nd in 2008 and 5th in 2009. Jeremy Shockey went for a future 2nd and future 5th. Jason Taylor a future 2nd. But you expect a team to give up a mid-1st for Rogers? Not very likely.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

As I said, I am not an advocate of trading Rogers, but if he gets traded I was looking for potential landing spots. Why trade him for a low #2? Because if the Skins are intent on dealing him they aren't likely to get anything more. Look at recent trades in the NFL. The Eagles couldn't get more than a #2 for Lito Sheppard. DeAngelo Hall went for a 2nd in 2008 and 5th in 2009. Jeremy Shockey went for a future 2nd and future 5th. Jason Taylor a future 2nd. But you expect a team to give up a mid-1st for Rogers? Not very likely.

I totally agree with you that they would not get more then a #2...very few NFL players can command a #1 pick in trade. My point is that I think he is worth more then a #2 to the Redskins so it makes no sense at all to trade him. However, I do fear that the Redskins front office is incompitent enough to go ahead and trade him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).

You might not be too far off. Bodden is pretty much gone. But besides that, I think the Lions are almost becoming a lock to draft Andre Smith first (or some OT) and I know they want a QB as well. They may find themselves wanting (needing) to move up in the draft to get their guy.

Suppose they don't take a QB first overall, between them and us at 13 you're really looking at just the Chiefs and Niners as likely teams wanting a QB. So let's say the Chiefs took one of the top two QBs then you could see the Lions trading up before the Niners. But if the Chiefs don't take a QB, even if the Niners do, you have us in a good spot to trade with the Lions and allow them to catapult the Jets, Bears, and Bucs (17-19) all teams that may want/need a QB

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).

It's like a mini version of the Herschel Walker trade!