Marching Orders... Interesting Points

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's pretty much the problem. That, and the fact that our owner is also a lifelong fan who sometimes can't separate his passion from his priorities. We need to be willing to be bad, really bad. But...well you see the gameday threads you know how people react.

After last seasons, i think the fans can put up with re-building. The team played so painfully bad against the 49ers, Bengals, Lions and Seattle to name a few.
I would rather deal with bad play knowing we are building for the future with young promising players, than deal with bad play and see high priced old timers play like Jansen, Smoot, Fabini, Kendall, Phillip Daniels, Jason Taylor.....etc trot out on to the field each Sunday.
We are spinning our wheels with the way yhte team has been run. It is time for something new.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

After last seasons, i think the fans can put up with re-building. The team played so painfully bad against the 49ers, Bengals, Lions and Seattle to name a few.
I would rather deal with bad play knowing we are building for the future with young promising players, than deal with bad play and see high priced old timers play like Jansen, Smoot, Fabini, Kendall, Phillip Daniels, Jason Taylor.....etc trot out on to the field each Sunday.
We are spinning our wheels with the way yhte team has been run. It is time for something new.

I'm curious about this...whether or not fans can put up with rebuilding...or the ownership. I posted something related to this in another thread, when someone brought up the Ravens, Dolphins, and Atlanta. I mentioned that all of those team had losing seasons while rebuilding, and actually acquired some good players through high draft picks they got due to those losing seasons.

I think the fanbase is too impatient. I laugh when people mention the cliche "build through the draft" as an option instead of signing a free agent. i'm not sure these people know that building through the draft typically means getting a lot of young players and not winning many games while they develop. I know this doesn't happen ALL the time, but if you rebuild, you have to be ready to face a losing season.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm curious about this...whether or not fans can put up with rebuilding...or the ownership. I posted something related to this in another thread, when someone brought up the Ravens, Dolphins, and Atlanta. I mentioned that all of those team had losing seasons while rebuilding, and actually acquired some good players through high draft picks they got due to those losing seasons.

I think the fanbase is too impatient. I laugh when people mention the cliche "build through the draft" as an option instead of signing a free agent. i'm not sure these people know that building through the draft typically means getting a lot of young players and not winning many games while they develop. I know this doesn't happen ALL the time, but if you rebuild, you have to be ready to face a losing season.

The part that would make any Skins rebuilding process more painful and decrease fan patience is that the Skins havent really had any success that they are rebuilding from. It seems like they have been in a rebuilding mode since the mid 1990s by always trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm curious about this...whether or not fans can put up with rebuilding...or the ownership. I posted something related to this in another thread, when someone brought up the Ravens, Dolphins, and Atlanta. I mentioned that all of those team had losing seasons while rebuilding, and actually acquired some good players through high draft picks they got due to those losing seasons.

I think the fanbase is too impatient. I laugh when people mention the cliche "build through the draft" as an option instead of signing a free agent. i'm not sure these people know that building through the draft typically means getting a lot of young players and not winning many games while they develop. I know this doesn't happen ALL the time, but if you rebuild, you have to be ready to face a losing season.

I agree with you that if we re-build, in the short team we will lose more than we are now. But you talk like we have been consistantly a winning team. We have not. In the last 16 years we have not had a single season that we have won more than 10 games. In the last 16 years we have only had 5 seasons that we have been over .500.
Take a look below, we have not been a winning team.

1993 4 - 12
1994 3 - 13
1995 6 - 10
1996 9 - 7
1997 8 - 7 - 1
1998 6 - 10
1999 10- 6
2000 8 - 8
2001 8 - 8
2002 7 - 9
2003 5 - 11
2004 6 - 10
2005 10 - 6
2006 5 - 11
2007 9 - 7
2008 8 - 8

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree with you that if we re-build, in the short team we will lose more than we are now. But you talk like we have been consistantly a winning team. We have not. In the last 16 years we have not had a single season that we have won more than 10 games. In the last 16 years we have only had 5 seasons that we have been over .500.
Take a look below, we have not been a winning team.

2000 8 - 8
2001 8 - 8
2002 7 - 9
2003 5 - 11
2004 6 - 10
2005 10 - 6
2006 5 - 11
2007 9 - 7
2008 8 - 8

Well when I talked about rebuilding I was thinking more about the team since 2004 when Gibbs came back. Although since 2000, we've only had four losing seasons, three .500, and only two winning seasons. We have been sort stuck in a mediocre middle.

When Gibbs was brought in 2004, he was expected to win right away, and as I mentioned, Gibbs was not the type to develop young players. Since 2005 we've seen moderate success, but not enough to get the team to the next level. Honestly, last offseason there should have been a sense of rebuilding after Gibbs left. If we want to start rebuilding this year, the question is whether the fans or the team would allow Zorn to have another 8-8 or worst year.