What constitutes anti-religious bigotry?

[757SkinsGirl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

... both religion and science seek the truth...[/url]

There in lies the answer. The "truth" is different for both sides of the argument.

[757SkinsGirl]

Originally Posted by 757SkinsGirl

There in lies the answer. The "truth" is different for both sides of the argument.

When I'm not in a huge hurry, I'll fini.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And to tell the truth, rather than speaking about the theory of evolution, it is more accurate to speak of the theories of evolution. The use of the plural is required here—in part because of the diversity of explanations regarding the mechanism of evolution, and in part because of the diversity of philosophies involved. There are materialist and reductionist theories, as well as spiritualist theories. Here the final judgment is within the competence of philosophy and, beyond that, of theology.

It seems to me the Pope is fallible. Just because you put a theory after a claim doesn't mean it's a theory, certainly not the scientific kind.

Anywho, Nova did a terrific program on the subject a while back and reductionism "theory" was brought up court.

Google Video

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

It seems to me the Pope is fallible. Just because you put a theory after a claim doesn't mean it's a theory, certainly not the scientific kind.

Please understand that the "infallible" comment was for irony.

Ultimately, at this point, no scientific theory of wihich I am aware describes the creation of matter.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Please understand that the "infallible" comment was for irony.

Ultimately, at this point, no scientific theory of wihich I am aware describes the creation of matter.

but that doesn't mean all science is flawed, or that because god said so is a better answer though.

I think one of the bigger issues is that people generally want answers for everything, and we don't always really understand how absolutely everything works... and science's failsafe of "i'm not sure" isn't always as comforting, so some people try to dismiss it completely, which (imo) is a HUGE mistake.

btw, this isn't direct at you JR, you just had a convenient quote.

[JoeRedskin]

What are the two sides of the argument which you say are opposed? As I said, I see no conflict between the general theory of evolution as proposed by Darwin and the belief in an ultimate creator.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

It seems to me the Pope is fallible. Just because you put a theory after a claim doesn't mean it's a theory, certainly not the scientific kind.

Omigod! Religious leaders agree with saden1. Can Armaggedon be far away?

"Church teaching holds that Catholicism and evolutionary theory are not necessarily at odds. But the Vatican's position became somewhat confused in recent years, in part because of a 2005 New York Times op-ed piece written by a close Benedict collaborator, Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn.

In the piece, Schoenborn seemed to reject traditional church teaching and back intelligent design, the view that life is too complex to have developed through evolution alone, and that a higher power has had a hand in changes among species over time.

Vatican officials later made clear they did not believe intelligent design was science and that teaching it alongside evolutionary theory in school classrooms only created confusion."

Vatican official: Atheist theories 'absurd' - The Vatican- msnbc.com

[nyredskinsfan]

I don't get wrapped around the axle on alot of things like evolution or creation. Either way, or maybe there's a 3rd way, it doen't matter to me as I know God had a hand in it. God makes things interesting enough to try an figure out how "he" did it. What about other life forms? The universe contains so many possibilities of life on other planets it's almost insane not to think that odds are in favor of ailien civiliazations. Once again, I keep it simple. God did it.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by nyredskinsfan

I don't get wrapped around the axle on alot of things like evolution or creation. Either way, or maybe there's a 3rd way, it doen't matter to me as I know God had a hand in it. God makes things interesting enough to try an figure out how "he" did it. What about other life forms? The universe contains so many possibilities of life on other planets it's almost insane not to think that odds are in favor of ailien civiliazations. Once again, I keep it simple. God did it.

seems like a pretty reasonable stance to me.

[saden1]

Wow, the Catholic church just kneecapped itself. On a brighter note, it's good to see my people being fruitful and multiplying.