Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)

[gaudiomatt]

It makes incredible sense to low ball deangelo hall because he's not being low balled, 12m guranteed is all this guy is worth he's not going to be getting a big payday in free agency his true colors are shown and he's a good corner but not elite

[gaudiomatt]

I also think it's amazing that people think carlos rogers being disgruntled is a reason to run him out of town, he's disgruntled because with absolutley no explanation reason or logic we are trying to run him out of town.

[gaudiomatt]

How is cutting shawn springs, resigning denagelo hall and carlos rogers who both have proven they can play at pro bowl levels at times not the only option this team is seeking. Shawn Springs is probably given us the least return for his salary on this team and why would we not be trying to get rid of him instead of our young CB who's just coming into his own in this league. On top of our FA pickup who we can get at a reasonable price.

[gaudiomatt]

And for rogers on the interceptions, at least he's not running into people to prevent easy interceptions on top of not getting any like springs.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by gaudiomatt

I also think it's amazing that people think carlos rogers being disgruntled is a reason to run him out of town, he's disgruntled because with absolutley no explanation reason or logic we are trying to run him out of town.

I don't think we were trying to run him out of town, he was just not starting at corner so he was whining about it. Personally id like him to start opposite of Hall this year but you never know with this team.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Now would you say that our backfield would have been top three if we had only Ryan Clark? I think we're both getting a little off topic.

I totally agree that we should keep Rogers and Hall. I don't like the idea of dicking over Rogers to keep Hall. All that being said, I think the money the Skins are asking (if that's true anyway) is more than reasonable for a guy who's already had two big paydays. If he knows anything about the Redskins, they aren't afraid to show you some money up front with restructuring if you prove you can be a team player.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Now would you say that our backfield would have been top three if we had only Ryan Clark? I think we're both getting a little off topic.

I totally agree that we should keep Rogers and Hall. I don't like the idea of dicking over Rogers to keep Hall. All that being said, I think the money the Skins are asking (if that's true anyway) is more than reasonable for a guy who's already had two big paydays. If he knows anything about the Redskins, they aren't afraid to show you some money up front with restructuring if you prove you can be a team player.

No, i was saying our backfield was top 3 last year and it will be again this year if we can keep our guys in place (especially if Rogers and Hall are our starters). If we let Hall go, we're going to have to replace him. That means one less FA or draft pick used to address our lines. IMO our top two offseason priorities are resigning hall and not doing a D*** thing with Rogers.

[CRedskinsRule]

I doubt we would replace Hall with any FA out there. If he wants to be a part of the Skins great, our secondary is not close to our top two off-season priorities. I agree with Malcolm, Hall has had two BIG paydays, now its time to settle down and play. If he's not here that'll be a shame, but I doubt we will be looking longingly as he leaves.

[GTripp0012]

Hall's not that hard to replace though. I agree that it would have to be done, as Springs, Rogers, and Smoot will never make the trio they did at the beginning of 2007, especially since that trio included #21.

There are plenty of guys we could go after should Hall shun us, but why does that make sense for him? No one wants him, and everyone else could have had him for a tiny fraction of their cap last year, but no one was offering more than half a million to finish out the year.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Hall's not that hard to replace though. I agree that it would have to be done, as Springs, Rogers, and Smoot will never make the trio they did at the beginning of 2007, especially since that trio included #21.

There are plenty of guys we could go after should Hall shun us, but why does that make sense for him? No one wants him, and everyone else could have had him for a tiny fraction of their cap last year, but no one was offering more than half a million to finish out the year.

Who out there is better then Hall as a free agent??

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Who out there is better then Hall as a free agent??

Asomugha is too pricey to be considered, but here are a few names that are at or near Hall's level who could be signed for less than Hall wants:

Dunta Robinson (Houston)
Daven Holly (Cleveland)
Bryant McFadden (Pittsburgh)
Jabari Greer (Buffalo)

Not an extensive list, exactly, but there are other options besides Hall for us.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Asomugha is too pricey to be considered, but here are a few names that are at or near Hall's level who could be signed for less than Hall wants:

Dunta Robinson (Houston)
Daven Holly (Cleveland)
Bryant McFadden (Pittsburgh)
Jabari Greer (Buffalo)

Not an extensive list, exactly, but there are other options besides Hall for us.

I would love to have Robinson, but we gotta figure out who is gonna play opposite him. Is Rogers staying? What's up with Springs? Do we draft a CB? Yea i'd like to see Hall stay because our secondary last year was the best part of this team. We can't go into the season with just Springs, Smoot, and Rogers. Too many injury concerns.

[A10sROCK]

Hall would be a good fit for this team. Why are people upset with trying to save some money on signing him? Are they really advocating the usual - 'overpay to underplay' mode of the Redskins FO?

If we sign Hall then we can look to drop Springs and/or Rogers.

Springs is very good but is missing more and more games per year. He won't restructure. He costs about $1 mill per game.

Rogers has never achieved his first round draft choice ranking. He's decent but has dropped more game-changing balls than I can count. He wants off this team. Trade him for a second rounder and move on.

Let us sign Hall and then we can comment on whether we pay too much.

[The Goat]

There is another angle to this I haven't seen discussed. Basically the bigger contract, especially guaranteed money, Hall receives the bigger the contract Rogers will expect/demand and I think we all realize Blache and the FO really isn't keen on giving Rogers big money. While they may like to give Hall more being that he'll sell tickets, jerseys etc the braintrust has to smart here. Also I would say Hall's negotiating position is relatively stronger than ours. Everyone knows that even if we somehow keep Springs, Los and Smoot as corners we're gonna be hurtin real soon (Springs injuries and Smoot general shittiness). And yeah maybe we can bring in another guy but none, save Asomugha, are big names like Hall who will add serious value to the franchise right?

I think Hall has to be resigned. If it comes down to cutting Springs completely to save space then show him the door... we need young, healthy talent.

Also have a question about the Los situation for GT or Schneed: would it be worthwhile to stampt the franchise tag on either Hall or Los (if it's even possible)?

[gaudiomatt]

Originally Posted by The Goat

There is another angle to this I haven't seen discussed. Basically the bigger contract, especially guaranteed money, Hall receives the bigger the contract Rogers will expect/demand and I think we all realize Blache and the FO really isn't keen on giving Rogers big money. While they may like to give Hall more being that he'll sell tickets, jerseys etc the braintrust has to smart here. Also I would say Hall's negotiating position is relatively stronger than ours. Everyone knows that even if we somehow keep Springs, Los and Smoot as corners we're gonna be hurtin real soon (Springs injuries and Smoot general shittiness). And yeah maybe we can bring in another guy but none, save Asomugha, are big names like Hall who will add serious value to the franchise right?

I think Hall has to be resigned. If it comes down to cutting Springs completely to save space then show him the door... we need young, healthy talent.

Also have a question about the Los situation for GT or Schneed: would it be worthwhile to stampt the franchise tag on either Hall or Los (if it's even possible)?

Nothing you've said makes any sense. The FO is clearly keeping Hall, they're in a dispute over 4$M dollars and you want to make him one of the highest paid cornerbacks in the league. Halls negogiating power is not bigger then ours he's not breaking bank anywhere in this league. Rogers is going to get a contract similar to Hall if they resign him now if they wait till next season hell probably just make more money then he would if he signs now. It makes no sense, I repeat no sense to keep Shawn Springs in any capacity, even the people who think he should move to FS. Our 2 best defensive players are safeties already there is no reason to keep Springs. We're just going to have him suck up a majority of our cap space again and he's going to sit out any game he doesn't feel like playing.