2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts

[gaudiomatt]

Also if we don't get a tackle in free agency and take one with our first pick I will freak the F out worse then I did last year. Cerratto is an idiot and he did whatever the hell he wanted last year and got everyone to jump on the WR bandwagon with him, It's the same idiots who agreed with that who are going to jump on the RT or DE bandwagon this year. If Cerratto manages to get the flashiest player he can at either position and not improve the interior of our O and D lines I am going to be so incredibly pist off as the team fails to make the playoffs again I might actually kill him.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by gaudiomatt

Also if we don't get a tackle in free agency and take one with our first pick I will freak the F out worse then I did last year. Cerratto is an idiot and he did whatever the hell he wanted last year and got everyone to jump on the WR bandwagon with him, It's the same idiots who agreed with that who are going to jump on the RT or DE bandwagon this year. If Cerratto manages to get the flashiest player he can at either position and not improve the interior of our O and D lines I am going to be so incredibly pist off as the team fails to make the playoffs again I might actually kill him.

I totally agree with you but keep in mind it all depends on what Blache believes his system needs and what he tells Vinny to go after. If Blache is happy with his mediocre middle simply stopping the run by plugging holes and he wants all his rush to come from DE/LB/CB/S ..then what do you think he's going to ask for? GW's system was based off of the CB/S rush. I think Blache incorporates more DE and LB rush's but I may be way off. I would love to see a dominant DT. Someone who could push the pocket so the QB can't step up and avoid the rush from the DE's.

You forgot one glaring problem. With out a decent WR's coach who can and is proven to be able to coach and develope players at the NFL level we are doomed. Build up the lines all you want but we will still only be as good as our weakest link. Hixon.

I thought Zorn said something about the coach's evaluating themselves then evaluating the players and plays that were called. Every person who ends up speaking from a coach's stand point keeps mentioning how they are still evaluating the players to see who they want to keep and where they may want to go in the draft. Did they completely skip over the WR coach's performance? Did they turn a blinds eye? We have Moss who's talent level has dropped off for whatever reason...double teams, injury, whatever. You have ARE who's talent level has dropped off since coming from Pitt. again for whatever reason....not being used in the right position. Thrash who is talked about as knowing all the WR positions can't even see the field unless there is an injury. We go out and pick up two top #1 WR's by many accounts in Kelly and Thomas and they can't catch a cold or appear to suck. Why? It's called coaching. Developing. We don't have that. But for whatever reason the coach's did not evaluate themselves as promised and are evaluating plays, scheme, and players as if they are not the possible culprits. Shame shame. I hope none of you get too amped up when we still look like a mediocre team cause we have settled with a mediocre WR coach who can't teach chemistry.

[Trample the Elderly]

My thoughts on your thoughts:

(A) S.Springs should be let go, or restructured for a short term contract to move over to safety. Give him a two year contract at least until he can be replaced through the draft or with an undrafted rookie. He's a better football player than Hall, Smoot, or Rogers, period, when you can get him on the field. He does owe us some money though.

(B) M.Washington, Cut and resign on the cheap. If you let him go you have to replace him. Keep him around until we have someone to replace him with. A healthy rested M.Washington is a good asset to have waiting on the bench in week 12 2009 when Alfred Fincher or M.SinClair go down for the rest of the season. He's the most likely to go though.

(C) C. Griffin, Keep for another year until he can be replaced through the draft. We don't have a quality player to replace him with.

(D) R.Doughty, Resign on the cheap, This will probably happen. Horton was injured at the end of last year. He's a draft pick and a free agent. If I'm not mistaken if he isn't resigned we get a pick in future drafts

(E) P.Daniels, Cut. We've got three live bodies to fill that hole for now and we can replace him through the draft next year.

(F) C.Raback, Let the man compete for a spot as a guard or tackle. If he doesn't cut it as a starter or at least a quality back-up, cut him at the final 53 man roster date.

(G) S.Suisham, Competition will be brought in during the training camp at this position and for the punter spot. JZ has already stated this. He's a FA and we'll probably let him go regardless unless we can't find someone better.

(H) J.Fabini, cut.

(I) James Thrash, there's no reason to keep him on the roster. He's doing nothing on special teams and the rookie WRs need field time for better or worse. Bring an undrafted rookie or a modestly priced FA to replace him.

(J) K.Golston, He's a free agent this year. Toss up? His back up (A.montgomery) is another draft pick and also a free agent. It would be unwise to let both of them go in favor of a FA who doesn't know the system.

(K) P.Kendall, Why let him go if just to save money? He's also a free agent and if you let him go you still have to bring in another FA to replace him. Is Rhinehardt ready to go? Is Devon Clark? He's old but is he getting beat? Of all the O-linemen he's one of the keepers. We can't replace the whole O-line in one draft.

I'm not sold on Hall. I'd like to have all of the Secondary back next year including Smoot. We'll probably have to replace him later on. The Secondary is the least of our problems right now.

Montgomery and Evans are free agents this year and draft picks. Alexander is neither. There isn't anyone else on right side DT.

Sign Rogers, he's good enough for a pay day and has room for growth. I wouldn't break the bank for Hall or Rogers. What they offered Hall should be good enough for Rogers. I like Rogers more but Greg Blache fired him from his starting position for a reason.

(1) Bruce Allen shouldn't be hired as a GM. If anything he can brought in to help with the Cap. No GM is going to come here if we don't keep Vinny a few years calling the shots. If anything we should get someone who is a better GM than Allen or Cerato like, dare I say it, the Tuna. They'll not come unless Snyder lives down his reputation of meddling and gives Vinny total control for at least the tenure of JZ. They should both go at the same time. If or when they do then we can totally rebuild.

(2) The word on the street is that Jansen is going over to guard until next year when he'll be released because of the Cap.

(3) Stacy Andrews at RT, yep. Not to mention Willie Colon, Max Starks. Jahri Evans, Chris Kemoeatu, Mark Setterstrom, or Jovan Hayes. These guys can be a quick hole to plug at Tackle until we can get a draft pick for the position and get him up to speed.

(4) Jovan Haye, younger hole filler until we can draft that position.

(5) Rickie Incognito or Jason Brown. I'd rather draft Alex Mack. Either way Raback is getting beat at that poition.

(6) Sign Michael Boley, Leroy Hill, or Angelo Crowell. Why not? They'll not command a lot of money. Bring in some undrafted rookies to compete during training camp.

(7) Sign a cheap veteran CB to give us some more depth after letting springs go. (I can see that) I'd rather give Tryon the playing time and have an undrafted rookie on the bench.

(8) Shane Graham or Mick Nuggent? This will probably happen.

(9) Key message, fill holes without breaking the bank on massive contracts, especialy on guys like Gross, Peppers, or Haynesworth. We have a track record of making FAs not live up to the money we give them. This seems reasonable to me. With the cuts we should have some decent money to spend.
(Agreed. I would consider Jordan Gross though only because he's younger than Peppers and Haynesworth, nor does he have their durability issues. We also have better luck with FA on the lines. Almost all of our offensive line-men are FAs. Jansen, Heyer, and Rhinehardt are draft picks.)

Don't waste a 13th pick. We might or might not get that good of a pick for a long time. We need the best player available for need. That is Jason Smith or Alex Mack. Yes, we argued this already on the other thread. But with either of these players we'll get a solid guy for years to come and that is a real need for us right now.

We can argue the draft until the cows come home. I think if we get a tackle or Center we should get the best available and those are our most pressing needs right now.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

This situation you propose would NEVER happen. Letting go of 11 players that get significant playing time, 9 of them being starters and filling the holes with free agency. Cutting these guys to free up cap space, how long have you been a Redskins fan? We dont do that, we keep our key players and restructure deals. A few cuts might be made, but not even close to that amount. Plus if we wanted to ensure that we get all these free agents you desire, we will have to overpay for them or they will get away to someone else who will. Doing so will defeat the purpose of cutting our players to free up cap space...we're better off with consistency. I also have no idea how you judge talent, cut rabach? keep taylor but cut springs? Keep Jansen AND sign Andrews while we have heyer to backup? Bank on Reinhart starting despite him not getting in any games this year? Cut Griffin and Golston to sign Bernard and bank that we will get a solid DT in the draft? You have some pretty interesting viewpoints.

[gaudiomatt]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

This situation you propose would NEVER happen. Letting go of 11 players that get significant playing time, 9 of them being starters and filling the holes with free agency. Cutting these guys to free up cap space, how long have you been a Redskins fan? We dont do that, we keep our key players and restructure deals. A few cuts might be made, but not even close to that amount. Plus if we wanted to ensure that we get all these free agents you desire, we will have to overpay for them or they will get away to someone else who will. Doing so will defeat the purpose of cutting our players to free up cap space...we're better off with consistency. I also have no idea how you judge talent, cut rabach? keep taylor but cut springs? Keep Jansen AND sign Andrews while we have heyer to backup? Bank on Reinhart starting despite him not getting in any games this year? Cut Griffin and Golston to sign Bernard and bank that we will get a solid DT in the draft? You have some pretty interesting viewpoints.

9 Starters, only 3 of those guys contribute at even a minimal level man man, griffin rabach and kendall. Kendalls a free agent I don't see why we should resign him hes in his late 30s, we could bring in a younger guard. Griffins salary is bs he doesn't do anything. Rabach isn't horrible but it's time to get a new center, our interior o line needs to be blown up its horrible. I don't know what case you could make for any of te other guys. And no none of them start or should be starting in this league. And my judging of talent is coupled with the salary cap, and if you actually look at the cap, what I proposed is completely reasonable. And if you looked at the free agents I proposed we sign, you'll see that in a year we're free agents already are not going to be making a lot of money because of the economy, the fact that none of them are big names and all involve a little risk factor yea they will take up our cap space but leave us with enough to sign our rookies, what the hell is the point of having free cap space so you can sign players who you didn't sign. And I've been a Redskins fan since I was born so **** off.

[Son Of Man]

Draft:
1. Trade out of 13 pick to something in the 22 - 28 range. Try and get a third and sixth rounder in the process.
1. 1st round 26th pick - Peria Jerry DT.
2. 3rd round A - Eric Wood or Jonathon Luigs C.
3. 3rd Round B - Connor Barwin DE. If he's not there go G or DE.
4. 5th round A - Zach Fulton LB
5. 5th Round B - Pat White QB who probably won't be there but if he's not fill our roster out with needs on the oline and dline.


I would consider trading the pick if we could make a deal with, say, Detroit, for their later 1st round and early 2nd round pick. But if a special player fell to us at 13 overall such as:

OT- Monroe (highly unlikely)
DE - Orakpo (possible)
LB - Mauluaga (very likely)

I know LB is not a need for us, but special players come by every so often and this guy could be special. I would pass on OHER though. I watched the Senior Bowl twice and was underwhelmed for his value at 13th overall.

[A10sROCK]

I think we have to stay the course with Zorn; drop the most expensive and oldest players; pick up as much as we can for the OL and DL in the draft - exclusively. Use our limited FA money for holes when they drop Washington and probably Jason Taylor.

We'll probably only drop those that want to leave or won't restructure.

[Trample the Elderly]

Y'all are missing the point. There is no way possible to replace all of the older players in one off season with free agency or with four draft picks. Cutting Jansen, Griffin, Thomas, and Raback and replacing them would be a savage burn.

Springs, Taylor, and Washington could be let go. But Springs and Washington are quality players (although old and injury prone) and if they're going to be replaced we need to get someone who can play their position at least up to their level.
Rebuilding this team over night isn't feasible, economically or philosophically. I would've made Greg Williams the coach but that's just me.

I'd wait until Jim Zorn's contract is up to fire him and Vinny if the team isn't a playoff bound team every year after. This will take at least two drafts or three drafts. It will take that long to get rid of all the restructured contracts. I would wait until at least 2011 to 2012 to fire both of them at once. If you get rid of them now we'd not be able to get anyone else here better than them.
If we're not up to speed by then (2011-2012), Danny will show the NFL he's not a meddler but is still willing to spend money, all of our dead weight will be gone, we'll have younger players, we'll have more money, and we'll be able to start picking up more draft picks do to the rookies recycling out into FA.

They've dug this hole for many seasons. It will not get fixed in one off season with four draft picks and sub-par FAs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Y'all are missing the point. There is no way possible to replace all of the older players in one off season with free agency or with four draft picks. Cutting Jansen, Griffin, Thomas, and Raback and replacing them would be a savage burn.

Springs, Taylor, and Washington could be let go. But Springs and Washington are quality players (although old and injury prone) and if they're going to be replaced we need to get someone who can play their position at least up to their level.
Rebuilding this team over night isn't feasible, economically or philosophically. I would've made Greg Williams the coach but that's just me.

I'd wait until Jim Zorn's contract is up to fire him and Vinny if the team isn't a playoff bound team every year after. This will take at least two drafts or three drafts. It will take that long to get rid of all the restructured contracts. I would wait until at least 2011 to 2012 to fire both of them at once. If you get rid of them now we'd not be able to get anyone else here better than them.
If we're not up to speed by then (2011-2012), Danny will show the NFL he's not a meddler but is still willing to spend money, all of our dead weight will be gone, we'll have younger players, we'll have more money, and we'll be able to start picking up more draft picks do to the rookies recycling out into FA.

They've dug this hole for many seasons. It will not get fixed in one off season with four draft picks and sub-par FAs.

I agree, these crazy offseason plans by some people that involve cutting half the roster are just ridiculous. Our hands are tied with some big contracts and a limited number of draft picks. Those hoping for drastic changes to the roster are going to be really disappointed.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by gaudiomatt

Also if we don't get a tackle in free agency and take one with our first pick I will freak the F out worse then I did last year. Cerratto is an idiot and he did whatever the hell he wanted last year and got everyone to jump on the WR bandwagon with him, It's the same idiots who agreed with that who are going to jump on the RT or DE bandwagon this year. If Cerratto manages to get the flashiest player he can at either position and not improve the interior of our O and D lines I am going to be so incredibly pist off as the team fails to make the playoffs again I might actually kill him.

LOL. No doubt. I've said more than once that if we don't use our first pick overall (whether it's the 13th pick or lower b/c of a trade) on an offensive lineman, I'm changing the channel.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

LOL. No doubt. I've said more than once that if we don't use our first pick overall (whether it's the 13th pick or lower b/c of a trade) on an offensive lineman, I'm changing the channel.

What if it's a defensive lineman?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if it's a defensive lineman?

Actually, I'll be okay with a D-lineman as our 1st choice if we've traded down and have added at least a 2nd round pick as a result. That will be, of course, if we use said 2nd round pick on the O-line. Sigh... I just want so badly for us to use draft picks on lineman.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Actually, I'll be okay with a D-lineman as our 1st choice if we've traded down and have added at least a 2nd round pick as a result. That will be, of course, if we use said 2nd round pick on the O-line. Sigh... I just want so badly for us to use draft picks on lineman.

I think one or two will be, but not all.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think one or two will be, but not all.

I don't need all of our draft picks to be lineman, but one or two (early picks preferably) will help.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't need all of our draft picks to be lineman, but one or two (early picks preferably) will help.

Well, if they stay with four picks I'm guessing one offensive lineman, one linebacker, one running back and a head-scratcher, like say a safety.

I'm not really expecting a defensive lineman to be drafted unless it's the first pick in the draft (the Redskins first pick that is). But who knows