Sometimes Its Who You Keep Not Who You Sign

[SmootSmack]

Well we also have completely changed the culture within the organization from when Spurrier was here (trust me, it was a disaster). Hopefully, we've got a QB for the next decade.

But I don't want to start getting into another Gibbs debate again. So I'll just leave this topic alone

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well we also have completely changed the culture within the organization from when Spurrier was here (trust me, it was a disaster). Hopefully, we've got a QB for the next decade.

But I don't want to start getting into another Gibbs debate again. So I'll just leave this topic alone

I'm just curious. Under Spurrier, how was personnel aquisition organized? Was it all Dan? Did Vinny run the show? Or was Spurrier basically given a green light for whoever he wanted on offense and defense was just whatever looked good in the papers?

I believe it was a disaster. I am just interested in a) What was the culture that made it so disasterous? b) How did Gibbs change it? c) Even though some of the players remain unchanged (anyone still here from the Spurrier era other than VC?), have the changes Gibbs created taken hold?

I realize it my be too early to tell on (c), but I am curious as to your opionion on it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I'm just curious. Under Spurrier, how was personnel aquisition organized? Was it all Dan? Did Vinny run the show? Or was Spurrier basically given a green light for whoever he wanted on offense and defense was just whatever looked good in the papers?

I believe it was a disaster. I am just interested in a) What was the culture that made it so disasterous? b) How did Gibbs change it? c) Even though some of the players remain unchanged (anyone still here from the Spurrier era other than VC?), have the changes Gibbs created taken hold?

I realize it my be too early to tell on (c), but I am curious as to your opionion on it.

I think Spurrier pretty much brought in whoever he wanted. I'm a Gator fan, so it pains me to say this, but Danny Weurffel, Shane Matthews, and Jacquez Green were just never going to get it done for us or anyone else. Spurrier also decided that Stephen Davis, who at the time was the single season all-time rushing leader for the Skins, wasn't a "fit," and we let him go in favor of Trung Canidate. It was a pathetic regime to say the least, and it's pretty obvious the Ole Ball Coach had a big say in personnel. Not to mention bringing in a coaching staff full of guys with no NFL experience.

Spurrier had ZERO control over the locker room, and there was no discipline. It was a total trainwreck.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think Spurrier pretty much brought in whoever he wanted. I'm a Gator fan, so it pains me to say this, but Danny Weurffel, Shane Matthews, and Jacquez Green were just never going to get it done for us or anyone else. Spurrier also decided that Stephen Davis, who at the time was the single season all-time rushing leader for the Skins, wasn't a "fit," and we let him go in favor of Trung Canidate. It was a pathetic regime to say the least, and it's pretty obvious the Ole Ball Coach had a big say in personnel. Not to mention bringing in a coaching staff full of guys with no NFL experience.

Spurrier had ZERO control over the locker room, and there was no discipline. It was a total trainwreck.

I think this has been said before, but the Spurrier era was like one of those really bad car accidents that you just cannot look away from. I remember that comical moment when Danny Wuerffel had to do the kick off b/c our kicker had gotten hurt. It was funny and pathetic at the same time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I'm just curious. Under Spurrier, how was personnel aquisition organized? Was it all Dan? Did Vinny run the show? Or was Spurrier basically given a green light for whoever he wanted on offense and defense was just whatever looked good in the papers?

I believe it was a disaster. I am just interested in a) What was the culture that made it so disasterous? b) How did Gibbs change it? c) Even though some of the players remain unchanged (anyone still here from the Spurrier era other than VC?), have the changes Gibbs created taken hold?

I realize it my be too early to tell on (c), but I am curious as to your opionion on it.

Spurrier didn't give a damn who was playing defense. He couldn't name more than two or three players on defense without a script in front of him.

Under Spurrier, meetings where chaotic and no one was held accountable. Ladell Betts on multiple occassions would doze off and call people on his cell phone. Rod Gardner would do the same. Heck he called me once during a meeting. Players were regularly late to meetings. No one was ever held accountable. Under Gibbs (granted I wasn't actually there for Gibbs, I left right before) there was accountability and an understanding of the consequences of not being responsible. Not in terms of fines but in terms of the respect of your colleagues and the effects on the field.

For all intents and purposes, the true head coach that first year was Marvin Lewis. He was the leader of many meetings, he knew both the offense and defense.

As for player acquisitions and personnel, Snyder just gave Spurrier whatever he wanted, with the occasional minor disagreement. But it was such a joke because Spurrier never attended any personnel evaluation meetings, he would vacation at the start of free agency. You know how most coaches, Gibbs for example, call up a potential free agent, fly out to see him, fly him in to Redskins Park, etc., Spurrier couldn't even be reached by phone during the first days of free agency. The whole Jetskins ordeal of 2003, there was no rhyme or reason to that. That was just Dan and Vinny (mainly Dan) scrambling to do something based on the offense Spurrier said he needed.

That was pretty much the last straw. Snyder wanted Spurrier to succeed, for selfish reasons as well. But changes were ready to happen the next offseason. I believe it would have started with putting Cerrato in charge of the football operations, and responsible for the roster. The same way he is now, but five years earlier. But when Spurrier quit, and Gibbs came aboard, VC took a back seat.

In short, there was no sense of responsibility under Spurrier and he constantly skipped out on important meetings and off-season decisions. It was every man for himself in the locker room. There was no "team"

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Under Spurrier, meetings where chaotic and no one was held accountable. Ladell Betts on multiple occassions would doze off and call people on his cell phone. Rod Gardner would do the same. Heck he called me once during a meeting. Players were regularly late to meetings. No one was ever held accountable. Under Gibbs (granted I wasn't actually there for Gibbs, I left right before) there was accountability and an understanding of the consequences of not being responsible. Not in terms of fines but in terms of the respect of your colleagues and the effects on the field.

Gardner called you? Are you joking? Did you tell him to hang up the phone and pay attention?

Were you covering the Redskins when you were here or something?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Gardner called you? Are you joking? Did you tell him to hang up the phone and pay attention?

Were you covering the Redskins when you were here or something?

Redskins, Caps, Wizards, United, bid to bring baseball to DC, Eagles, Hoyas, Terps, Colonials, Patriots (GMU), and assorted other local teams. Sometimes when you'd turn on the news and see such and such player answering a question or a special piece on "Barbecuing with Dana Stubblefield" but you never saw the reporter who was asking the question, I was often the "reporter" on the other side of the camera asking the question. But you know, union rules, couldn't get on camera.

But I digress.

Yeah he called me. I mean we weren't like buddies or anything. He was friends with a couple of co-workers that I was also friends with and he would call to find out where the party was that night, or to let us know. So yeah he called me at work one day

Smootsmack: Hello
Rod Gardner: Yo SmootSmack (not my real name)! What's up? It's Rod Gardner. Dre gave me your number
SS: Hey, how's it going?
Rod: Cool, cool. Yo I'm hittin' up Club Scud (not a real place) Friday with Chris (Samuels) and Tre (Johnson). We've got about 20 friends coming with us. Let your boy know (had a friend who ran parties at clubs down in DC). You gonna be there?
SS: Maybe. (of course, 95% of the time I'd see him downtown he compeletly ignored me). I'm working late tonight, trying to get out of here as soon as possible though.
Rod: I got you. I'm just waiting for this team meeting to end
SS: You're in a meeting? Damn, let me let you go then
Rod: Nah, you know how coach is, he's cool. It's alright. I know what I gotta do (thing is, he usually did, but what a terrible example). Plus, I can hear him out my other ear anyway
SS: Yeah, I gotta run Rod. I'll talk to you later

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Redskins, Caps, Wizards, United, bid to bring baseball to DC, Eagles, Hoyas, Terps, Colonials, Patriots (GMU), and assorted other local teams. Sometimes when you'd turn on the news and see such and such player answering a question or a special piece on "Barbecuing with Dana Stubblefield" but you never saw the reporter who was asking the question, I was often the "reporter" on the other side of the camera asking the question. But you know, union rules, couldn't get on camera.

But I digress.

Yeah he called me. I mean we weren't like buddies or anything. He was friends with a couple of co-workers that I was also friends with and he would call to find out where the party was that night, or to let us know. So yeah he called me at work one day

Smootsmack: Hello
Rod Gardner: Yo SmootSmack (not my real name)! What's up? It's Rod Gardner. Dre gave me your number
SS: Hey, how's it going?
Rod: Cool, cool. Yo I'm hittin' up Club Scud (not a real place) Friday with Chris (Samuels) and Tre (Johnson). We've got about 20 friends coming with us. Let your boy know (had a friend who ran parties at clubs down in DC). You gonna be there?
SS: Maybe. (of course, 95% of the time I'd see him downtown he compeletly ignored me). I'm working late tonight, trying to get out of here as soon as possible though.
Rod: I got you. I'm just waiting for this team meeting to end
SS: You're in a meeting? Damn, let me let you go then
Rod: Nah, you know how coach is, he's cool. It's alright. I know what I gotta do (thing is, he usually did, but what a terrible example). Plus, I can hear him out my other ear anyway
SS: Yeah, I gotta run Rod. I'll talk to you later

Ha. Funny story. Good stuff.

BTW, Club Scud is a real place. I make it rain up in there all the time.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Ha. Funny story. Good stuff.

BTW, Club Scud is a real place. I make it rain up in there all the time.

What you do alone in your room at night is really of no interest to the rest of us.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Redskins, Caps, Wizards, United, bid to bring baseball to DC, Eagles, Hoyas, Terps, Colonials, Patriots (GMU), and assorted other local teams. Sometimes when you'd turn on the news and see such and such player answering a question or a special piece on "Barbecuing with Dana Stubblefield" but you never saw the reporter who was asking the question, I was often the "reporter" on the other side of the camera asking the question. But you know, union rules, couldn't get on camera.

But I digress.

Yeah he called me. I mean we weren't like buddies or anything. He was friends with a couple of co-workers that I was also friends with and he would call to find out where the party was that night, or to let us know. So yeah he called me at work one day

Smootsmack: Hello
Rod Gardner: Yo SmootSmack (not my real name)! What's up? It's Rod Gardner. Dre gave me your number
SS: Hey, how's it going?
Rod: Cool, cool. Yo I'm hittin' up Club Scud (not a real place) Friday with Chris (Samuels) and Tre (Johnson). We've got about 20 friends coming with us. Let your boy know (had a friend who ran parties at clubs down in DC). You gonna be there?
SS: Maybe. (of course, 95% of the time I'd see him downtown he compeletly ignored me). I'm working late tonight, trying to get out of here as soon as possible though.
Rod: I got you. I'm just waiting for this team meeting to end
SS: You're in a meeting? Damn, let me let you go then
Rod: Nah, you know how coach is, he's cool. It's alright. I know what I gotta do (thing is, he usually did, but what a terrible example). Plus, I can hear him out my other ear anyway
SS: Yeah, I gotta run Rod. I'll talk to you later

LOL, the most I have ever done is shake Rock Cartwright's hand through the chain linked fence outside of the player's parking lot at FedEX. It was more like a 3 finger tap. He really wasn't into it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Angry

LOL, the most I have ever done is shake Rock Cartwright's hand through the chain linked fence outside of the player's parking lot at FedEX. It was more like a 3 finger tap. He really wasn't into it.

I said hello to Charles Mann one time at a Terps basketball game (back when they actually won games) when I was an undergrad at Maryland. I also met Mark Rypien (sp?) when he came to visit my school, I think I must have been in 7th or 8th grade.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rod Gardner would do the same. Heck he called me once during a meeting.

He called you twice, The first time was a dropped call.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by jamf

He called you twice, The first time was a dropped call.

ha, good old 50/50

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by RedskinMike

ha, good old 50/50

Carlos Rogers makes Rod Gardner's hands seem reliable!