2009 Pro-Football Hall of Fame Inductees

[vallin21]

You're forgetting that Hayes played against guys with less speed, strength, etc. Sharpe, and Carter played against guys that were as fast and as strong as them every sunday. You can disagree, but I think the level of competion Carter and Sharpe played against was higher than what Hayes played against.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by vallin21

You're forgetting that Hayes played against guys with less speed, strength, etc. Sharpe, and Carter played against guys that were as fast and as strong as them every sunday. You can disagree, but I think the level of competion Carter and Sharpe played against was higher than what Hayes played against.

Very good point. However Hayes could not help it that he was ahead of his time. If that was the case then all the old timers would never get in the HOF. Perfect example is our own Sonny Jurgenson who was one of the best pure passers of all time. Sonny was so far ahead of his time that it's not even funny. If he played in this era his numbers would be insane. Same w/ Hayes. He'd probably have much better numbers if he played in an era where you get a penalty if you look at the wr the worng way. Get what I'm saying?

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by vallin21

You're forgetting that Hayes played against guys with less speed, strength, etc. Sharpe, and Carter played against guys that were as fast and as strong as them every sunday. You can disagree, but I think the level of competion Carter and Sharpe played against was higher than what Hayes played against.

He also played in an era when the rules favored the defense. I'm surprised passes were completed in the '60's. Hayes averaged over 20 yds/catch and scored a TD every 5.22 times he caught the ball. Fred Biletnikoff (who is in the HOF and was also drafted in 1965) avgd 15.2 yds/catch and scored every 7.75 times.
For anyone who likes watching an exciting gamebreaker, watch film of Hayes this summer while we are all going through NFL withdrawel.

[GTripp0012]

Lineman don't get traditional stats kept for them, but here's a cursory look at Grimm's very nice career vs. McDaniels via PFR. It's clear that McDaniels case was much stronger.

McDaniel

Grimm

Grimm probably needs to do something of note with his coaching career to get elected. I'd call him 'borderline', and it's great that he's come as far as he has in the process, but he's going to keep getting passed over unless he does something as a NFL head coach, unfortunately.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Lineman don't get traditional stats kept for them, but here's a cursory look at Grimm's very nice career vs. McDaniels via PFR. It's clear that McDaniels case was much stronger.

McDaniel

Grimm

Grimm probably needs to do something of note with his coaching career to get elected. I'd call him 'borderline', and it's great that he's come as far as he has in the process, but he's going to keep getting passed over unless he does something as a NFL head coach, unfortunately.

What about his contribution to AZ if they win the SB. I'm sure that will help. With a SB as a assistant HC and Line coach might that be enough?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44ever

What about his contribution to AZ if they win the SB. I'm sure that will help. With a SB as a assistant HC and Line coach might that be enough?

I really doubt that the voters will treat his work as an assistant coach in his hall case, but I guess you never know what they are thinking.

[44ever]

you know what Gtripp it's only a matter of time for him anyway. He will be a HC someday and a winner I'm sure

[dmek25]

Canton's calling: Bruce Smith, Woodson into Hall

[skinsfan_nn]

I think most predicted Bruce to be a shoe in first shot. Even though Bruce being a local boy I can't consider him anything but a bill that never won the big one with that team. He was a used up when the skins picked him up (I remember a very cheap/freebie sack...and a phone call on the side line, those are 'HIS' skin highlights). But good for him.

But really hate to see Russ bypassed again. Keep hoping his day/year will come! Hope it starts with another Superbowl ring tomorrow.

[skinsfan_nn]

Kind words from Daniel Snyder, in reference to Bruce Smith getting Hall of Fame nod.

Smith Earns Induction Into Hall of Fame

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Kind words from Daniel Snyder, in reference to Bruce Smith getting Hall of Fame nod.

Smith Earns Induction Into Hall of Fame

Smith better thank Snyder big time at his induction ceremony. Snyder bent over backwards and set the franchise back a couple of years to meet Smith's wishes. So the least Bruce Smith, very deserving of the HoF by the way, can do is thank him.

As for Grimm, yeah it's too bad he's not in the Hall along with Jacoby and/or Lachey but it's not a travesty that McDaniel was selected before him.

[celts32]

It's odd that aside from Gibbs the Redskins OL gets the most credit for the 3 Super Bowls yet none of them are considered slam dunk HOFers. OL have no stats so what makes this OL not worthy while OL from other great teams are represented. I am not one to really gripe about this sort of thing but it is odd.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by celts32

It's odd that aside from Gibbs the Redskins OL gets the most credit for the 3 Super Bowls yet none of them are considered slam dunk HOFers. OL have no stats so what makes this OL not worthy while OL from other great teams are represented. I am not one to really gripe about this sort of thing but it is odd.

Well the guys that were here the longest were Bostic, Grimm and Jacoby. Grimm was injured during the 87 season and 88- 91 he was only used in short yardage. I'm not sure Grimm had enough years starting. Bostic was a good center but not great. He was benched during the 87 year and only got his job back cause Grimm got hurt. But he did start on 3 SB winning teams. Good player but not great. That leaves Jacoby. I think Jacoby has a strong case but he moved to guard when Lachey came on so what position does he go in as? Guard or tackle? I personally think Jacoby was the best out of the group and played/started for a long time.

All the other guys like RC Thielmann, Lachey, Mackenzie, Stink and May were all good players that started on SB teams. But I wouldn't consider any of them great players. Lachey might have had a chance but injuries did him in.

[saden1]

Randall McDaniel was an animal, he ate-up defenders for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Well deserved HoF bust, certainly more so than Grimm.

Glad Chris "Hatter" Carter didn't make it. Every year he doesn't make it lends credibility to the "theory of Karma."

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well the guys that were here the longest were Bostic, Grimm and Jacoby. Grimm was injured during the 87 season and 88- 91 he was only used in short yardage. I'm not sure Grimm had enough years starting. Bostic was a good center but not great. He was benched during the 87 year and only got his job back cause Grimm got hurt. But he did start on 3 SB winning teams. Good player but not great. That leaves Jacoby. I think Jacoby has a strong case but he moved to guard when Lachey came on so what position does he go in as? Guard or tackle? I personally think Jacoby was the best out of the group and played/started for a long time.

All the other guys like RC Thielmann, Lachey, Mackenzie, Stink and May were all good players that started on SB teams. But I wouldn't consider any of them great players. Lachey might have had a chance but injuries did him in.

I agree that I thought Jacoby was probably the best of them. But if what your saying is that the Redskins assembled one of the best OL in history with a bunch of pretty good players then it would seem that Joe Bugel should have his own wing constructed in the HOF.