Updated: Daschle Withdraws; Didn't these guys have to fill out an application?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

If you're going to pedal transparency, good character and judgment you better make sure you're people are clean. I am glad that Obama is dumping these people, except for Timy G they're all retarded.

Did Nancy Killefer really think she could apply for a job that promised to make the government "more effective, more efficient, and more transparent" and no one would find out she has a 1 million dollar lien against her? What a f*cking moron!

Nice. I am not really intending to bash Obama with this thread. I want him to succeed. It just seems like, after all the "Change" rhetoric, we are getting more of the same. It is particularly eggregious after that lengthy application process that most applicants were required to go through.

I think it was you, Saden, who said one of your big concerns was that it seemed the lobbyists were running the shop. Who in particular were you concerned with and why? (If it wasn't Saden, then this is directed to whomever made the statement) (yes, I am too lazy to search for it).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Nice. I am not really intending to bash Obama with this thread. I want him to succeed. It just seems like, after all the "Change" rhetoric, we are getting more of the same. It is particularly eggregious after that lengthy application process that most applicants were required to go through.

I think it was you, Saden, who said one of your big concerns was that it seemed the lobbyists were running the shop. Who in particular were you concerned with and why? (If it wasn't Saden, then this is directed to whomever made the statement) (yes, I am too lazy to search for it).

Sigh...I gotta do everything around here

http://www.thewarpath.net/499687-post7.html

(it was the anti-saden)

[saden1]

I screwed up, Nancy Killefer has a $946.69 tax lien against her home not 1 million. Don't ask me how I miss read that. Still, that's very bad.

Anywho, Obama is at least apologizing to the country and owning up to his mistakes. All I ask is you try and I can't say he isn't trying.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

Anywho, Obama is at least apologizing to the country and owning up to his mistakes. All I ask is you try and I can't say he isn't trying.

Here is where Obama is making points with me. Ignoring policy debates and politics in general the one thing that killed me about Bush's administration, and most politicians in general, is that when they did screw up (and they all do) they never owned up to it. I don't know why it is so hard for politicians to say "yeah we f'ed that up". A lot of the stuff anchoring Bush was smaller stuff that they could have diffused with honesty and openess. Instead it was always cloak and dagger/stay on message. What is it with these people? It's like they have no clue about actual human social patterns. Seriously, they all need to take a cue from the Simpson and appoint a Secretary of keepin' it real. Looks like Obama is trying.

[GMScud]

Not closely related, nor threadworthy, but....

Did anyone see Letterman just straight up trash Blagojevich tonight?? Hilarious.

I've never seen such denial in my life. The former governor is either mentally retarded or a sociopath. Either way, he's done. He's the Roger Clemens of governorship.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not closely related, nor threadworthy, but....

Did anyone see Letterman just straight up trash Blagojevich tonight?? Hilarious.

I've never seen such denial in my life. The former governor is either mentally retarded or a sociopath. Either way, he's done. He's the Roger Clemens of governorship.

Blogo is truly handicapped. He would make a perfect Jerry Springer guest.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Here is where Obama is making points with me. Ignoring policy debates and politics in general the one thing that killed me about Bush's administration, and most politicians in general, is that when they did screw up (and they all do) they never owned up to it. I don't know why it is so hard for politicians to say "yeah we f'ed that up". A lot of the stuff anchoring Bush was smaller stuff that they could have diffused with honesty and openess. Instead it was always cloak and dagger/stay on message. What is it with these people? It's like they have no clue about actual human social patterns. Seriously, they all need to take a cue from the Simpson and appoint a Secretary of keepin' it real. Looks like Obama is trying.

It is so easy to say I messed up, the sooner you say it the sooner you get out of the doghouse. I never got cover-ups either. The cover-up is always worse than the lie yet some folks still have a hard time with it. The Bush folks were a special bunch. Even in their attempt at appealing to the public in their exit interview was a miserable failure.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Here is where Obama is making points with me. Ignoring policy debates and politics in general the one thing that killed me about Bush's administration, and most politicians in general, is that when they did screw up (and they all do) they never owned up to it. I don't know why it is so hard for politicians to say "yeah we f'ed that up". A lot of the stuff anchoring Bush was smaller stuff that they could have diffused with honesty and openess. Instead it was always cloak and dagger/stay on message. What is it with these people? It's like they have no clue about actual human social patterns. Seriously, they all need to take a cue from the Simpson and appoint a Secretary of keepin' it real. Looks like Obama is trying.

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

Actually I agree. Personally I don't much care whether they do or not as it applies to my own feelings. I just know basic human social patterns indicate that from a logical and practical standpoint it is rarely if ever better to obscure the truth in these types of situations. They get points back when they say the screwed up from lots of people. Why they don't see this is baffling. It actually makes you wonder how many things go on that we never know about. I guess it'd have to be a pretty good amount of situations they successfully keep obscured to overcome the obvious and tremendous negativity they get whenever they are discovered.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

I disagree, I believe that it is imperative that a leader have integrity and take responsibility for his/her actions. Somebody is going to find out, you might as well own up to it. It is ok to call yourself out, but if you are calling yourself out over the same mistake more than once, then you are showing that you have a weakness about you. In that case you may not want to own up to it, but by then you have already proven that you are seriously flawed as a leader and taking ownership no longer matters.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Angry

I disagree, I believe that it is imperative that a leader have integrity and take responsibility for his/her actions. Somebody is going to find out, you might as well own up to it. It is ok to call yourself out, but if you are calling yourself out over the same mistake more than once, then you are showing that you have a weakness about you. In that case you may not want to own up to it, but by then you have already proven that you are seriously flawed as a leader and taking ownership no longer matters.

I think in this case, though, everyone already knows you messed up so you're not really stepping up to the plate. You're just in appeasement mode. I don't think his apology was a bad thing, mind you, just unnecessary at this point.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

Doing a good job? What has he done? I don't mean that in a bad way but I just don't think he has reall had time to do anything rather good or bad.

[Trample the Elderly]

We'll see how good he is now that he's a target of the media and not their darling. Seeing how a lot of his choices have had to drop out I think the honey-moon is over. Bush thought that he could do the same thing with Meyers. Obama is going to learn the same way W did.

[firstdown]

Well what else could Obama have said? He push this "Change" thing and then within his first days in office tried to bring in people that did not represent any form of change. I guess the good news is that he brought in about $200,000 to the IRS in unpaid taxes.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well what else could Obama have said? He push this "Change" thing and then within his first days in office tried to bring in people that did not represent any form of change. I guess the good news is that he brought in about $200,000 to the IRS in unpaid taxes.

he could have said mission accomplished, and stood there with a stupid look on his face