2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts

[ChickenMonkey]

NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80

People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.

[ChickenMonkey]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.

Whats with all the whinning..This isnt Junior ALL American guys...
"You gotta know when to hold em., And Know when to hold um kids

1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......

I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.

A lot of successful teams do think that the popular chart is outdated, and very much overvalues the higher end picks. Obviously, no one wants those higher end picks, and that's why you don't have any top ten trades anymore.

I can't think of any draft day trade in the last four years in which the team trading up paid a higher premium than the outdated chart suggested. The very last trade that did that I can remember was the Manning-Rivers trade from 2004. Not a single pick in the top five has been dealt since then, so I'm guessing the Jimmy Johnson chart will be totally revised within two years.

Or they will cap the slot payouts and we'll have to come up with an entirely new system for valuing picks altogether.

Bottom line: I don't see any issue with chicken monkey's trade in terms of value for either side. Whether or not it actually makes sense for the Redskins is an entirely separate issue.