Updated: Daschle Withdraws; Didn't these guys have to fill out an application?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Here is where Obama is making points with me. Ignoring policy debates and politics in general the one thing that killed me about Bush's administration, and most politicians in general, is that when they did screw up (and they all do) they never owned up to it. I don't know why it is so hard for politicians to say "yeah we f'ed that up". A lot of the stuff anchoring Bush was smaller stuff that they could have diffused with honesty and openess. Instead it was always cloak and dagger/stay on message. What is it with these people? It's like they have no clue about actual human social patterns. Seriously, they all need to take a cue from the Simpson and appoint a Secretary of keepin' it real. Looks like Obama is trying.

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

Actually I agree. Personally I don't much care whether they do or not as it applies to my own feelings. I just know basic human social patterns indicate that from a logical and practical standpoint it is rarely if ever better to obscure the truth in these types of situations. They get points back when they say the screwed up from lots of people. Why they don't see this is baffling. It actually makes you wonder how many things go on that we never know about. I guess it'd have to be a pretty good amount of situations they successfully keep obscured to overcome the obvious and tremendous negativity they get whenever they are discovered.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

I disagree, I believe that it is imperative that a leader have integrity and take responsibility for his/her actions. Somebody is going to find out, you might as well own up to it. It is ok to call yourself out, but if you are calling yourself out over the same mistake more than once, then you are showing that you have a weakness about you. In that case you may not want to own up to it, but by then you have already proven that you are seriously flawed as a leader and taking ownership no longer matters.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Angry

I disagree, I believe that it is imperative that a leader have integrity and take responsibility for his/her actions. Somebody is going to find out, you might as well own up to it. It is ok to call yourself out, but if you are calling yourself out over the same mistake more than once, then you are showing that you have a weakness about you. In that case you may not want to own up to it, but by then you have already proven that you are seriously flawed as a leader and taking ownership no longer matters.

I think in this case, though, everyone already knows you messed up so you're not really stepping up to the plate. You're just in appeasement mode. I don't think his apology was a bad thing, mind you, just unnecessary at this point.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I think in this case, though, everyone already knows you messed up so you're not really stepping up to the plate. You're just in appeasement mode. I don't think his apology was a bad thing, mind you, just unnecessary at this point.

That post was making a statement in response to the posters comment that I bolded. It wasn't necessarily a statement about this particular issue. As far as that goes it's just political etiquette. I think that they take a course on it in college "How to appear to kiss ass 101".

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

Doing a good job? What has he done? I don't mean that in a bad way but I just don't think he has reall had time to do anything rather good or bad.

[Trample the Elderly]

We'll see how good he is now that he's a target of the media and not their darling. Seeing how a lot of his choices have had to drop out I think the honey-moon is over. Bush thought that he could do the same thing with Meyers. Obama is going to learn the same way W did.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

We'll see how good he is now that he's a target of the media and not their darling. Seeing how a lot of his choices have had to drop out I think the honey-moon is over. Bush thought that he could do the same thing with Meyers. Obama is going to learn the same way W did.

A lot of his choices? He's appointed at least a dozen or more cabinet members and many more have been hired, and you bring up two?

And please don't compare Daschle with Harriet Meyers.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

A lot of his choices? He's appointed at least a dozen or more cabinet members and many more have been hired, and you bring up two?

And please don't compare Daschle with Harriet Meyers.

You'r right Harriet Meyers wasn't a lobbyist for the Health Care Industry.

Tom Daschle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I didn't bring up two. Those are just the latest. Bill Richardson withdrew for reasons unknown. Let's not forget Leon Panetta. The Democrats didn't even like that choice.

Top Democrats question Obama choice for CIA - International Herald Tribune

Why are you getting upset? I mean if it's good enough for me and my man Blade, why isn't it good for the politicians? Doesn't seem like a change I can believe in. Short-changed maybe.