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[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

The country as a whole DID vote for change whatever change represents to you is a different story. The fact that you didn't vote is your problem, yea. More power to the GOP if they can sway the blue dogs. They're 77 seats down and there are 47 blue dogs which means they need 39 blue dog votes to get their way. Good luck to them because by all accounts the house GOP is irrelevant.

We'll see.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

We'll see.

I assure you we'll see it time and again for the next two years.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

I assure you we'll see it time and again for the next two years.

You don't have to wait that long . . . . and another one.

Solis Senate Session Postponed in Wake of Husband's Tax Lien Revelations | 44 | washingtonpost.com

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

You don't have to wait that long . . . . and another one.

Solis Senate Session Postponed in Wake of Husband's Tax Lien Revelations | 44 | washingtonpost.com

Trample, just using your note as a bounce point; What amazes me, Saden, is that since someone you agree with is now in the drivers seat, everything is cool and kosher. Me, I hope Obama can get the country on its feet, and do so in a way that truly reflects a change of principle and philosophy from the Clinton/Bush legacy of partisan politics-country be d**mnd. But I am far closer to Trample's point of view then Obama's (or Bush's for that matter). and all I see is the same tired arguments for the same failed policies (democrats with theirs republicans with theirs) and you, and many others cheering up a storm because it's your guys turn and not the others.
Saden, I know you won't respond, because every time I try to point out a bigger picture, you have pulled out a partisan phrase and responded to that point ignoring every main point in my posts.
Once more, my point here, is Obama is behaving like a normal politician, he has not changed the tenor or tone of DC, nor has he worked to the betterment of the country over his particular beliefs.

What he had done so far is - he has taken his beliefs and pushed forward with his agenda boldly following an election which was as much about Bush's failure and a fresh face in Obama as it was that the country suddenly turned to an extreme liberal agenda.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Trample, just using your note as a bounce point; What amazes me, Saden, is that since someone you agree with is now in the drivers seat, everything is cool and kosher. Me, I hope Obama can get the country on its feet, and do so in a way that truly reflects a change of principle and philosophy from the Clinton/Bush legacy of partisan politics-country be d**mnd. But I am far closer to Trample's point of view then Obama's (or Bush's for that matter). and all I see is the same tired arguments for the same failed policies (democrats with theirs republicans with theirs) and you, and many others cheering up a storm because it's your guys turn and not the others.
Saden, I know you won't respond, because every time I try to point out a bigger picture, you have pulled out a partisan phrase and responded to that point ignoring every main point in my posts.
Once more, my point here, is Obama is behaving like a normal politician, he has not changed the tenor or tone of DC, nor has he worked to the betterment of the country over his particular beliefs.

What he had done so far is - he has taken his beliefs and pushed forward with his agenda boldly following an election which was as much about Bush's failure and a fresh face in Obama as it was that the country suddenly turned to an extreme liberal agenda.

No, you got it all wrong. I don't like some of the thing in the stimulus but even more so I loath the alternative plan put forth by the GOP. It is retarded. They don't even f'ing understand the domain problem or they do but they're in the "I hope he fails" boat.

The Problem:
1. People are being laid-off.
2. Unemployment climbing.
3. People aren't buying things.
4. Companies aren't making money.
5. Go back to step 1 and repeat.


GOP Solution:
1. Tax cut for people.
2. Tax cut for corporation.
3. Tax cut for small business.
4. Supply side economics will take care of the rest.

Truly handicapped.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

No, you got it all wrong. I don't like some of the thing in the stimulus but even more so I loath the alternative plan put forth by the GOP. It is retarded. They don't even f'ing understand the domain problem or they do but they're in the "I hope he fails" boat.

The Problem:
1. People are being laid-off.
2. Unemployment climbing.
3. People aren't buying things.
4. Companies aren't making money.
5. Go back to step 1 and repeat.


GOP Solution:
1. Tax cut for people.
2. Tax cut for corporation.
3. Tax cut for small business.
4. Supply side economics will take care of the rest.

Truly handicapped.

Wow, did you read the part I put in bold and underlined, because you didn't even respond to my point, which I tried to make clear. But never mind; apparently we are dooomed to petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wow, did you read the part I put in bold and underlined, because you didn't even respond to my point, which I tried to make clear. But never mind; apparently we are dooomed to petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas.

The topic is bipartisanship and change I'm I correct? Your point is well taken, he's a typical politician. He's a democrat with liberal/socialist values. I on the other hand point out the insanity of the GOP's counter proposal. There is nothing petty about discussing the awfulness of what's on the table (that goes for some of the awful stuff in the dem's stimulus too). There is something wrong, however, when the GOP is entirely peddling same shit that they peddled back in 2001/2003 and we are in an even worse predicament than we were back in 2001/2003. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault we're in this predicament, there's plenty of blame for that to go around, but come on, f*cking try a little.

You got a radio host who hopes Obama fails getting a BJ from US Congressmen and Senators for cry out loud and you want to talk bipartisanship and being offended? The gall of some folks is amazing, if I didn't know better I would think the GOP were given a mandate.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

No, you got it all wrong. I don't like some of the thing in the stimulus but even more so I loath the alternative plan put forth by the GOP. It is retarded. They don't even f'ing understand the domain problem or they do but they're in the "I hope he fails" boat.

The Problem:
1. People are being laid-off.
2. Unemployment climbing.
3. People aren't buying things.
4. Companies aren't making money.
5. Go back to step 1 and repeat.


GOP Solution:
1. Tax cut for people.
2. Tax cut for corporation.
3. Tax cut for small business.
4. Supply side economics will take care of the rest.

Truly handicapped.

GOP Solution:
1. Puts money back in the hands of people to spend money for goods which have to be made by people working.
2. Corporations have more money to produce goods and hire people.
3. Same as 2.
4. Yes supply side should kick in but hey atleast we have our money back in our hands and not in some other failing pork program.

After posting this I started thinking about Sadens post and I don't think the ROP plan call's for reducing Corporations taxes only small business and individuals.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

GOP Solution:
1. Puts money back in the hands of people to spend money for goods which have to be made by people working.
2. Corporations have more money to produce goods and hire people.
3. Same as 2.
4. Yes supply side should kick in but hey atleast we have our money back in our hands and not in some other failing pork program.

After posting this I started thinking about Sadens post and I don't think the ROP plan call's for reducing Corporations taxes only small business and individuals.

No, you should click on the links I provide. Once again, straight from the the baby hog's mouth.

Just as we cut taxes for families and small businesses, we need to cut them for corporations as well, from 35 percent to 25 percent. And we shouldn't be afraid to say so. Our corporate tax rate is one of the highest in the world, driving investment and jobs overseas. Lowering this key rate will unlock trillions of dollars to be invested in America instead of abroad.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

GOP Solution:
1. Puts money back in the hands of people to spend money for goods which have to be made by people working.
2. Corporations have more money to produce goods and hire people.
3. Same as 2.
4. Yes supply side should kick in but hey atleast we have our money back in our hands and not in some other failing pork program.

After posting this I started thinking about Sadens post and I don't think the ROP plan call's for reducing Corporations taxes only small business and individuals.

are you living in the real world? where im at, we are so lean and mean, all the profits going into the big boys pockets. over the last 5 years, we have enjoyed record return on capital. want to guess what kind of raises i have gotten? 2.1%, 2.2%, 2.2%, 2.1%, and 2.2%. so don't feed me that line of crap about the companies spreading the wealth. same with giving them a corporate break. the jobs that went overseas will never come back. if they get a new break, that just means more of the bottom line/ profit. some of you guys aren't really in touch with what is going on

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

You don't have to wait that long . . . . and another one.

Solis Senate Session Postponed in Wake of Husband's Tax Lien Revelations | 44 | washingtonpost.com

Huh?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

Huh?

Didn't she have to fill out an application? Oh that's right only the little people pay taxes.
Actually my solution is to the right of the Republicans. Everyone but Corporations pay NO taxes. Corporations pay a flat 10%.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Didn't she have to fill out an application? Oh that's right only the little people pay taxes.
Actually my solution is to the right of the Republicans. Everyone but Corporations pay NO taxes. Corporations pay a flat 10%.

What are we talking about? The relevancy of the House GOP or Solis tax problems? The House GOP != The Senate GOP. Certainly Senate GOP have some weight in Senate but Dems only need two GOP Senators to get things passed.