Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

[irish]

I think the notion that JC could be a borderline pro bowler is very unrealistic. At best he can be a Trent Dilfer type borderline NFL QB. I have a lot of hard core Skins fans as friends and almost to a man (and a couple of women) the only thing they agree on is that JC isnt the answer.

The part I dont see is why Zorn's fate is somehow tied to JC (a QB he didnt draft and IMO didnt want but was forced to take). He had to try to make it work but deep down he knew it just wouldnt fit. I think it would be a huge mistake to fire Zorn because JC didnt pan out. IMO it would cement the reputation of the Skins turning into the Raiders of the east coast with a nut job owner that has no plan for winning.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by irish

I think the notion that JC could be a borderline pro bowler is very unrealistic. At best he can be a Trent Dilfer type borderline NFL QB. I have a lot of hard core Skins fans as friends and almost to a man (and a couple of women) the only thing they agree on is that JC isnt the answer.

The part I dont see is why Zorn's fate is somehow tied to JC (a QB he didnt draft and IMO didnt want but was forced to take). He had to try to make it work but deep down he knew it just wouldnt fit. I think it would be a huge mistake to fire Zorn because JC didnt pan out. IMO it would cement the reputation of the Skins turning into the Raiders of the east coast with a nut job owner that has no plan for winning.

That's why Zorn hand picked Brennan.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

That's why Zorn hand picked Brennan.

I know JZ picked Brennan but he wont see any action with JC here. JC is the big piece of furniture that was left in the house when JZ moved in. He knows it will be painful (in many ways) to move out so he is trying to make it work. I havent seen enough of CB to say if he can play but I have seen enough of JC to know he cant.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by irish

I know JZ picked Brennan but he wont see any action with JC here. JC is the big piece of furniture that was left in the house when JZ moved in. He knows it will be painful (in many ways) to move out so he is trying to make it work. I havent seen enough of CB to say if he can play but I have seen enough of JC to know he cant.

Wait a year or two. JC is a stop gap. Which sucks cause I bought his jersey before last season.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by irish

I think the notion that JC could be a borderline pro bowler is very unrealistic. At best he can be a Trent Dilfer type borderline NFL QB. I have a lot of hard core Skins fans as friends and almost to a man (and a couple of women) the only thing they agree on is that JC isnt the answer.

The part I dont see is why Zorn's fate is somehow tied to JC (a QB he didnt draft and IMO didnt want but was forced to take). He had to try to make it work but deep down he knew it just wouldnt fit. I think it would be a huge mistake to fire Zorn because JC didnt pan out. IMO it would cement the reputation of the Skins turning into the Raiders of the east coast with a nut job owner that has no plan for winning.

Zorn was specifically brought in to develop JC; he only got the HC job because no one else (other than Fassel) wanted it. So the assumption is he would be let go if Campbell failed. If Zorn really beleives he can mold Campbell into the next Matt Hasslebeck, then his fate is tied to Campbells and this is his make or break year as coach. If Campbell succeeds, Zorn will stay. If he doesnt, theyre both gone.

On the other hand, Zorn is in a very tough situation if he doesnt believe in Campbell. At the end of a failed 2009 season, he cant get away with saying "well, i gave it two years, and Campbell didnt work out. now let me use my own guy." Snyder is not that patient. On the flip side, its hard to "give up" on Campbell after just one year in the WCO, considering all the FO invested into drafting Campbell in the first place.

So in the end, Zorn really has only two options if he wants a third year:

1) Work his magic with Campbell and turn him in to a pro-bowl caliber WCO QB by the end of this season; thereby letting the FO know Campbell is the franchise QB and that Zorn succeeded where most said he would fail; OR

2) Convince the FO sometime between now and the beginning of the season that his system works, but Campbell is going to hold it back: Hes a good QB, but isnt adapting in the system. The fans love Brennan and he's the kind of QB Snyder would love - he'd sell jerseys... but hes just not ready yet. So in that scenario, the FO must make the decision on what to do with Campbell.
(a) If they decide to keep him, Zorn can always say "i told you so" at the end of the season if Campbell doesnt work out (in a very nice way, of course). With Brennan primed and ready to go, Zorns got himself his third year.
(b)If they trade Campbell and start someone else in 2009, Zorns still essentially bought himself a 3rd year reguardless of how the team does in 2009, with Brennan as the starter in 2010.

[irish]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Zorn was specifically brought in to develop JC; he only got the HC job because no one else (other than Fassel) wanted it. So the assumption is he would be let go if Campbell failed. If Zorn really beleives he can mold Campbell into the next Matt Hasslebeck, then his fate is tied to Campbells and this is his make or break year as coach. If Campbell succeeds, Zorn will stay. If he doesnt, theyre both gone.

On the other hand, Zorn is in a very tough situation if he doesnt believe in Campbell. At the end of a failed 2009 season, he cant get away with saying "well, i gave it two years, and Campbell didnt work out. now let me use my own guy." Snyder is not that patient. On the flip side, its hard to "give up" on Campbell after just one year in the WCO, considering all the FO invested into drafting Campbell in the first place.

So in the end, Zorn really has only two options if he wants a third year:

1) Work his magic with Campbell and turn him in to a pro-bowl caliber WCO QB by the end of this season; thereby letting the FO know Campbell is the franchise QB and that Zorn succeeded where most said he would fail; OR

2) Convince the FO sometime between now and the beginning of the season that his system works, but Campbell is going to hold it back: Hes a good QB, but isnt adapting in the system. The fans love Brennan and he's the kind of QB Snyder would love - he'd sell jerseys... but hes just not ready yet. So in that scenario, the FO must make the decision on what to do with Campbell.
(a) If they decide to keep him, Zorn can always say "i told you so" at the end of the season if Campbell doesnt work out (in a very nice way, of course). With Brennan primed and ready to go, Zorns got himself his third year.
(b)If they trade Campbell and start someone else in 2009, Zorns still essentially bought himself a 3rd year reguardless of how the team does in 2009, with Brennan as the starter in 2010.

Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB.

Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's still total bullshit that you would say this.

You have no idea if this is true. It's just the only thing you cling to in the hopes that you might be right about Campbell.

I actually think seeing the field is one of his biggest strengths. But what do I know, I've only looked at every play this season twice plus. Clearly, your shot-in-the-dark assumptions are more accurate than this.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's still total bullshit that you would say this.

You have no idea if this is true. It's just the only thing you cling to in the hopes that you might be right about Campbell.

I actually think seeing the field is one of his biggest strengths. But what do I know, I've only looked at every play this season twice plus. Clearly, your shot-in-the-dark assumptions are more accurate than this.

I am clinging to my views of JC like you are. Its common knowledge & discussion that JC locks on to receivers and from what I know a QB does that because he cant see the field well to look off a receiver and come back to him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

I am clinging to my views of JC like you are. Its common knowledge & discussion that JC locks on to receivers and from what I know a QB does that because he cant see the field well to look off a receiver and come back to him.

It's not common knowledge. You either made it up or heard it from someone that made it up. Either way, since you didn't cite a source, you're endorsing the lack of knowledge.

If the source is an unqualified friend or co-worker, then you're probably better off not citing it.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not common knowledge. You either made it up or heard it from someone that made it up. Either way, since you didn't cite a source, you're endorsing the lack of knowledge.

If the source is an unqualified friend or co-worker, then you're probably better off not citing it.

I guess me, my fan friends, and most media i read/hear who say he does lock on to receivers are as expert as you and yours who say he doesnt.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by irish

Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB.

How can people say this? I watched every game this year, but I wouldn't assume Portis took the wrong hole, or that the W Receivers weren't getting open, or that Jason Campbell cannot read the field. The reason: BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE KNOW.

How can you tell that kind of thing from a broadcast on T.V. anyways? Your never able to see the whole field to begin with.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bushead

How can people say this? I watched every game this year, but I wouldn't assume Portis took the wrong hole, or that the W Receivers weren't getting open, or that Jason Campbell cannot read the field. The reason: BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE KNOW.

How can you tell that kind of thing from a broadcast on T.V. anyways? Your never able to see the whole field to begin with.

Well, if the point of posting is to say that Jason Campbell is bad, you're not going to point to something that actually happens, obviously. You have to sound convincing without actually knowing what you are talking about.

Geez.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by irish

I think the notion that JC could be a borderline pro bowler is very unrealistic. At best he can be a Trent Dilfer type borderline NFL QB. I have a lot of hard core Skins fans as friends and almost to a man (and a couple of women) the only thing they agree on is that JC isnt the answer.

With a healthy OL he was putting up Pro Bowl level numbers in the first 8 games, first season in the WCO, with a below average WR corps.

[gaudiomatt]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

With a healthy OL he was putting up Pro Bowl level numbers in the first 8 games, first season in the WCO, with a below average WR corps.

that is fing ridiculous. Moss was leading the leading receiver for the first 8 games based off statistics. He was at the top of the league in yards and touchdowns. . You all need to get off Santana he is not the problem he's our only weapon on this team and probably the only receiver who's caught a pass for more than 40 yards on the skins in the past 3 seasons. Quit trying to blame things on Moss, there isn't one WR in the league who can perform without getting any looks his way.

[gaudiomatt]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

With a healthy OL he was putting up Pro Bowl level numbers in the first 8 games, first season in the WCO, with a below average WR corps.

He also managed to have the best RB in the league by 300 yards when he was putting up those numbers.