Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Luxorreb

Todd Collins woulda done better late in the season. Problem is he isn't young enough to take the beating that the old OL relinquishes!

You're crazy. If the O-Line was really in such bad shape then Vinny would have done something about it DUH. Oh wait.

Originally Posted by 44ever

JC sucks, he's the worst in the NFL. Our Owner and our GM are also among the worst in the NFL. No I take that back. That's not a fair statement. Our Owner and GM are the worst in the NFL. Also Zorn is the worst coach in the NFL he admitted that himself. He went 8-8 his first year. I expected at least 14-2. Or better. Jason Taylor he sucks. It doesn't matter if he was hurt he should play hurt and make the pro bowl. Moss can't get open. Rogers has no hands and Hall is a trouble maker. I wish Jerry Jones was our owner. And Wade was our HC. And Romo was our QB. If Colt isn't our starter in 09 I'm becoming a Cowboys fan.

ZOMG, so you're a member of the misleading post club to??!?!?!?

[44ever]

JC sucks, he's the worst in the NFL. Our Owner and our GM are also among the worst in the NFL. No I take that back. That's not a fair statement. Our Owner and GM are the worst in the NFL. Also Zorn is the worst coach in the NFL he admitted that himself. He went 8-8 his first year. I expected at least 14-2. Or better. Jason Taylor he sucks. It doesn't matter if he was hurt he should play hurt and make the pro bowl. Moss can't get open. Rogers has no hands and Hall is a trouble maker. I wish Jerry Jones was our owner. And Wade was our HC. And Romo was our QB. If Colt isn't our starter in 09 I'm becoming a Cowboys fan.

[53Fan]

Take 2 lithium and call me in the morning 44. We'll talk. It's gonna be alright.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Take 2 lithium and call me in the morning 44. We'll talk. It's gonna be alright.

Ha ha. I think Dmek25 took me seriously on the Leftwich thread.

[Meks]

^ i wanted to yell, but decided a nice calm intervention type thread will help you .... we're here for you.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Meks

^ i wanted to yell, but decided a nice calm intervention type thread will help you .... we're here for you.

Meks I was going to let it ride but for the sake of our guest I didn't want them to think we were completely crazy

[RedskinPete]

I think we have seen the best JC is going to be. To bad because we have little on the bench. This team has so many needs I see little chance of drafting a QB first round. There are two things the O needs more out of the QB spot and a line that has so many needs one draft will not due! O9 will be a long season just like the end of 08 was.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I think we have seen the best JC is going to be. To bad because we have little on the bench. This team has so many needs I see little chance of drafting a QB first round. There are two things the O needs more out of the QB spot and a line that has so many needs one draft will not due! O9 will be a long season just like the end of 08 was.

Couldn't disagree more w/ this. For one thing it ignores logic: Jason has improved against remarkable odds. From '07 to '08 the entire offensive system changed, and the o-line regressed significantly as evidenced in almost twice the number of sacks on Jason (especially considering he began to use his feet and make defenders miss this season it's pretty telling how much more he was sacked - the o-line was probably the worst in football by week 8). Through all that he markedly improved on fumbles, interceptions, footwork and decision-making. He is also tough as nails and becoming more of a threat w/ his legs.

... I don't mind defending Jason over and over again cause it just sharpens my thoughts on why he's our QB. Said it before and i'll say it again here: JC will be money in '09 if the FO/coaches do their job to upgrade the line. Drafting a franchise tackle is the first step and this appears to be a great year for them. Opening up competition on the interior between Jansen, Rinehart and Thomas is also important and if all else fails grab a stop-gap guy in FA if Jansen can't transition to guard and Rinehart still has sand in the vag.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Couldn't disagree more w/ this. For one thing it ignores logic: Jason has improved against remarkable odds. From '07 to '08 the entire offensive system changed, and the o-line regressed significantly as evidenced in almost twice the number of sacks on Jason (especially considering he began to use his feet and make defenders miss this season it's pretty telling how much more he was sacked - the o-line was probably the worst in football by week 8). Through all that he markedly improved on fumbles, interceptions, footwork and decision-making. He is also tough as nails and becoming more of a threat w/ his legs.

... I don't mind defending Jason over and over again cause it just sharpens my thoughts on why he's our QB. Said it before and i'll say it again here: JC will be money in '09 if the FO/coaches do their job to upgrade the line. Drafting a franchise tackle is the first step and this appears to be a great year for them. Opening up competition on the interior between Jansen, Rinehart and Thomas is also important and if all else fails grab a stop-gap guy in FA if Jansen can't transition to guard and Rinehart still has sand in the vag.

Couldn't agree more

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Couldn't disagree more w/ this. For one thing it ignores logic: Jason has improved against remarkable odds. From '07 to '08 the entire offensive system changed, and the o-line regressed significantly as evidenced in almost twice the number of sacks on Jason (especially considering he began to use his feet and make defenders miss this season it's pretty telling how much more he was sacked - the o-line was probably the worst in football by week 8). Through all that he markedly improved on fumbles, interceptions, footwork and decision-making. He is also tough as nails and becoming more of a threat w/ his legs.

... I don't mind defending Jason over and over again cause it just sharpens my thoughts on why he's our QB. Said it before and i'll say it again here: JC will be money in '09 if the FO/coaches do their job to upgrade the line. Drafting a franchise tackle is the first step and this appears to be a great year for them. Opening up competition on the interior between Jansen, Rinehart and Thomas is also important and if all else fails grab a stop-gap guy in FA if Jansen can't transition to guard and Rinehart still has sand in the vag.

Good Post Goat. I agree. On Rinehart...if he still has the "sand" problem, is that something that is operable or do you think he'll be put on IR?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Good Post Goat. I agree. On Rinehart...if he still has the "sand" problem, is that something that is operable or do you think he'll be put on IR?

btw no disrespect intended to the women warpathers...

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Couldn't disagree more w/ this. For one thing it ignores logic: Jason has improved against remarkable odds. From '07 to '08 the entire offensive system changed, and the o-line regressed significantly as evidenced in almost twice the number of sacks on Jason (especially considering he began to use his feet and make defenders miss this season it's pretty telling how much more he was sacked - the o-line was probably the worst in football by week 8). Through all that he markedly improved on fumbles, interceptions, footwork and decision-making. He is also tough as nails and becoming more of a threat w/ his legs.

... I don't mind defending Jason over and over again cause it just sharpens my thoughts on why he's our QB. Said it before and i'll say it again here: JC will be money in '09 if the FO/coaches do their job to upgrade the line. Drafting a franchise tackle is the first step and this appears to be a great year for them. Opening up competition on the interior between Jansen, Rinehart and Thomas is also important and if all else fails grab a stop-gap guy in FA if Jansen can't transition to guard and Rinehart still has sand in the vag.

I may start liking turtles as well

[30gut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Couldn't disagree more w/ this. For one thing it ignores logic: Jason has improved against remarkable odds. From '07 to '08 the entire offensive system changed, and the o-line regressed significantly as evidenced in almost twice the number of sacks on Jason (especially considering he began to use his feet and make defenders miss this season it's pretty telling how much more he was sacked - the o-line was probably the worst in football by week 8). Through all that he markedly improved on fumbles, interceptions, footwork and decision-making. He is also tough as nails and becoming more of a threat w/ his legs.

... I don't mind defending Jason over and over again cause it just sharpens my thoughts on why he's our QB. Said it before and i'll say it again here: JC will be money in '09 if the FO/coaches do their job to upgrade the line. Drafting a franchise tackle is the first step and this appears to be a great year for them. Opening up competition on the interior between Jansen, Rinehart and Thomas is also important and if all else fails grab a stop-gap guy in FA if Jansen can't transition to guard and Rinehart still has sand in the vag.

Well said Goat.
JC showed that he can play at a high level during the 1st half of the season. And i think the offense will grow around him as the talent around him improves, including the coaching/play calling. Year 1 of JC/JZ WCO offense was a success in my eyes.

I still don't understand how so many fans can watch the games and still have a negative opinion about JC?

Or maybe they aren't watching the games?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Couldn't disagree more w/ this. For one thing it ignores logic: Jason has improved against remarkable odds. From '07 to '08 the entire offensive system changed, and the o-line regressed significantly as evidenced in almost twice the number of sacks on Jason (especially considering he began to use his feet and make defenders miss this season it's pretty telling how much more he was sacked - the o-line was probably the worst in football by week 8). Through all that he markedly improved on fumbles, interceptions, footwork and decision-making. He is also tough as nails and becoming more of a threat w/ his legs.

... I don't mind defending Jason over and over again cause it just sharpens my thoughts on why he's our QB. Said it before and i'll say it again here: JC will be money in '09 if the FO/coaches do their job to upgrade the line. Drafting a franchise tackle is the first step and this appears to be a great year for them. Opening up competition on the interior between Jansen, Rinehart and Thomas is also important and if all else fails grab a stop-gap guy in FA if Jansen can't transition to guard and Rinehart still has sand in the vag.

Great post, I would add to it that Zorn didn't help JC much as the season went on by trying stubbornly to implement his wc offense on a team w/personel far too slow for it. Case in point, it was baffling to me that in the Pittsburgh game Zorn kept calling plays w/4 wr's & empty backfield. If your qb is getting killed, why do you not keep a rb in to help block, especially when you've got one of the best blocking backs in the nfl.

[saden1]

WTF?