Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

The article was pretty much a no brainer. If JC is mediocre next season he won't be resigned if he wants a raise, which will most assuredly happen.

What if he's good again (but not a pro bowler) and you arbitrarily decide that he's average, and Vinny re-signs him. Then what?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What if he's good again (but not a pro bowler) and you arbitrarily decide that he's average, and Vinny re-signs him. Then what?

He was average this season, and if he repeats being average next season and doesn't get us in the playoffs he doesn't get resigned. THe big reason is he will want a raise for sure, and why should the guy be resigned for a higher asking price for mediocrity? Keep a guy who will be destined to be a bckup eventually at a higher asking price? Not going to happen. Listen G, I was a Ramsey man, then a JC man. I think Ramsey got a raw deal, but I think Gibbs knew he couldn't get the job done. JC has been given ample time to show us his stuff and well, I don't think it is the "right" stuff to get us to the promised land, unless 7-9 to 9-7 victory range is what you are looking for, which is the same victory range as Gus had.

[REDSKIN1]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

He was average this season, and if he repeats being average next season and doesn't get us in the playoffs he doesn't get resigned. THe big reason is he will want a raise for sure, and why should the guy be resigned for a higher asking price for mediocrity? Keep a guy who will be destined to be a bckup eventually at a higher asking price? Not going to happen. Listen G, I was a Ramsey man, then a JC man. I think Ramsey got a raw deal, but I think Gibbs knew he couldn't get the job done. JC has been given ample time to show us his stuff and well, I don't think it is the "right" stuff to get us to the promised land, unless 7-9 to 9-7 victory range is what you are looking for, which is the same victory range as Gus had.

I disagree, I don't think Jason has been given ample time to prove his worth. This will only be his third season as the starter and the first time in a system where someone isn't changing the playbook and trying to change the way he drops back and throws the ball. You have to take in consideration the fact that Jim Zorn came in and not only changed the playbook but also the way he wanted Jason to play the position. I think that this year he will show marked improvement.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKIN1

I disagree, I don't think Jason has been given ample time to prove his worth. This will only be his third season as the starter and the first time in a system where someone isn't changing the playbook and trying to change the way he drops back and throws the ball. You have to take in consideration the fact that Jim Zorn came in and not only changed the playbook but also the way he wanted Jason to play the position. I think that this year he will show marked improvement.

I agree, but a lot of people don't want to hear stuff like that. They want results yesterday and have become so accustomed to change at the QB spot it just doesn't feel right to stick with one guy for more than a couple of seasons.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, but a lot of people don't want to hear stuff like that. They want results yesterday and have become so accustomed to change at the QB spot it just doesn't feel right to stick with one guy for more than a couple of seasons.

Well said. Also worth noting we haven't really had someone who could develop a QB the way Zorn has proven he can. I've got relative confidence in Jason's natural abilities and talent, i've got near total confidence in Zorn's ability to develop his QB.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, but a lot of people don't want to hear stuff like that. They want results yesterday and have become so accustomed to change at the QB spot it just doesn't feel right to stick with one guy for more than a couple of seasons.

JC has been in the NFL what 5 years and a starter for 2. I'm tired of hearing all this different system stuff. He had more time in Zorn system than Flacco and Ryan (both true rookies) had in theirs. JC has had plenty of time, the best the Skins can hope for is that he will improve a little next year but to expect him to be a pro bowler in 4 years is unrealistic, he will never develop to that level.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

JC has been in the NFL what 5 years and a starter for 2. I'm tired of hearing all this different system stuff. He had more time in Zorn system than Flacco and Ryan (both true rookies) had in theirs. JC has had plenty of time, the best the Skins can hope for is that he will improve a little next year but to expect him to be a pro bowler in 4 years is unrealistic, he will never develop to that level.

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell

Sorry but yes he is the worst. And all these other QB are far superior to JC. Also our owner and GM suck and are the worst in the NFL.

I wish we had Jerry Jones as our owner
And I wish Romo was our QB especially for big game situations.

Oh and Zorn sucks he was lucky to go 8-8 his first season. Someone must have been helping him because Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we know he's a winner.

If we don't fire Zorn and Vinny. If we don't dump JC. And trade ARE. Cut JT. And start Colt in 09. Then I'm becoming a Cowboys fan!

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell

Stats are nice and JCs stats compare well but now Flacco & Ryan have taken their teams to the playoffs and won. JC hasnt taken his team anywhere. I think when you look at the talent all three have to work with that JC has the most and still cant score or get the team over the hump. Right now Flacco & Ryan are way ahead of JC on the development scale and JC has a bunch more years in the league than they do.