Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

[skinsnut]

Ya know..I think it is funny that some say Campbell is not a fit for the west coast offense....It may be true...but if it is....it is the coaches responsibility to adapt the playbook around the abilities of the players.
Based on the theory that Campbell has a slow release...that would indicate that a good coach would adjust the playbook to do more play action, draws, reverses, sweeps and heavy up the gut running in combo of the deep ball...that sound a lot like Gibbs football plus creativity to me.

There are 2 ways to be successful
1. Hire the right guys to fit the system (depends on a good GM)
2. Change your system to adapt to the skills of the players (depends on a good Coach)

Its pretty obvious to me the Skins have consistantly tried multiple methods to maximize Campbells capability...that is actually a good sign...unfortunately, they have not found the right formula yet.

I like Campbell...I really think the blame goes to the Oline and lack of creative playcalling and protection schemes in the last half of the year. He is good folks...we are just not putting him in a position to win consistantly.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ya know..I think it is funny that some say Campbell is not a fit for the west coast offense....It may be true...but if it is....it is the coaches responsibility to adapt the playbook around the abilities of the players.
Based on the theory that Campbell has a slow release...that would indicate that a good coach would adjust the playbook to do more play action, draws, reverses, sweeps and heavy up the gut running in combo of the deep ball...that sound a lot like Gibbs football plus creativity to me.

There are 2 ways to be successful
1. Hire the right guys to fit the system (depends on a good GM)
2. Change your system to adapt to the skills of the players (depends on a good Coach)

Its pretty obvious to me the Skins have consistantly tried multiple methods to maximize Campbells capability...that is actually a good sign...unfortunately, they have not found the right formula yet.

I like Campbell...I really think the blame goes to the Oline and lack of creative playcalling and protection schemes in the last half of the year. He is good folks...we are just not putting him in a position to win consistantly.

Ya I agree 100% about the oline falling flat at the end of the season, but I still think that Campbell isn't that great because I feel like he just goes into the huddle and says "___ I'm throwing to you. And if it not open I'm gonna run" it's like Campbell can't look at his 2nd or 3rd reads. He just looks lost a lot and sometimes looks like he was just asleep and woke up on the field of a football game.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Ya I agree 100% about the oline falling flat at the end of the season, but I still think that Campbell isn't that great because I feel like he just goes into the huddle and says "___ I'm throwing to you. And if it not open I'm gonna run" it's like Campbell can't look at his 2nd or 3rd reads. He just looks lost a lot and sometimes looks like he was just asleep and woke up on the field of a football game.

Actually if you had been paying attention you would realize that he stares down his check down reciever and doesn't attempt passes to the primary as often as he should (says coach zorn).

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Angry

Actually if you had been paying attention you would realize that he stares down his check down reciever and doesn't attempt passes to the primary as often as he should (says coach zorn).

Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...

Boy, last season worked out wonderful for Brian Stewart and his incredible powers of observation.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Boy, last season worked out wonderful for Brian Stewart and his incredible powers of observation.

Very true, but A) it's not like he's the only defensive coordinator who knows about JC's reads and B) last time I checked, the cowboys were still alive in the playoff hunt in the last week of the season wereas we were ruled out by week 15...this will be the year we see how good Campbell really is

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Very true, but A) it's not like he's the only defensive coordinator who knows about JC's reads and B) last time I checked, the cowboys were still alive in the playoff hunt in the last week of the season wereas we were ruled out by week 15...this will be the year we see how good Campbell really is

Don't forget that the Cowboys' expectations were very high at the beginning of the season, and were considered a SB contender; whereas the Redskins were not expected to do as well as they did.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

Great post Paintrain.

One of the funniest things to me is for years as a fan base we bitched and moaned about our pathetic QB situation. Now we have the closest thing we've had in God knows how long to an improving, solid young (just turned 27) quarterback, and half the people want to see him either traded or benched for Colt friggin Brennan. It just baffles me. COLT BRENNAN COULDN'T BEAT OUT TODD COLLINS FOR THE #2 SPOT!!! HELLO!!??

Get your heads on straight people.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

I'm not so sure about that. Let see how things play out in training camp.

[GMScud]

Another thing that's funny is not one single peep has come from inside the Redskins that even hints at anything resembling an open QB competition in training camp. Not one. Anyone who says anything about JC not getting an extension yet knows little about the cap/CBA situation heading into 2010.

Jason was the guy going into last season, and Zorn has reinforced as much heading into this coming season. There's no competition for the starting job. If anything, it will be interesting to see if Brennan can overtake Collins for the role of #1 Clipboard Holder.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not so sure about that. Let see how things play out in training camp.

I'd bet nearly anything to say he's the #3 QB coming out of camp.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

I've never heard zorn say that and I watched him on NBC all the time...still he was making mistakes during the 2nd half of the season and is a major factor as to why we slumped the second half of the season

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

I've never heard zorn say that and I watched him on NBC all the time...still he was making mistakes during the 2nd half of the season and is a major factor as to why we slumped the second half of the season

It was in a WP article that was written in the 2nd half sometime. I tried searching but it didn't go back that far. Bottom line is JC is going to be the QB next season. We all want him to be one of the top QB in the league, we'll see if it comes to pass but by no means is he terrible or the worst QB in the league. As poorly as our OL played in the 2nd half it's hard to judge anyone's production.