Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Angry

Actually if you had been paying attention you would realize that he stares down his check down reciever and doesn't attempt passes to the primary as often as he should (says coach zorn).

Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...

Boy, last season worked out wonderful for Brian Stewart and his incredible powers of observation.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Boy, last season worked out wonderful for Brian Stewart and his incredible powers of observation.

Very true, but A) it's not like he's the only defensive coordinator who knows about JC's reads and B) last time I checked, the cowboys were still alive in the playoff hunt in the last week of the season wereas we were ruled out by week 15...this will be the year we see how good Campbell really is

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Very true, but A) it's not like he's the only defensive coordinator who knows about JC's reads and B) last time I checked, the cowboys were still alive in the playoff hunt in the last week of the season wereas we were ruled out by week 15...this will be the year we see how good Campbell really is

Don't forget that the Cowboys' expectations were very high at the beginning of the season, and were considered a SB contender; whereas the Redskins were not expected to do as well as they did.

[gaudiomatt]

Campbell is indefinitely our starer this season. 50-50 he's here for more than one year. The cult of colt is strong damn right because Campbell hasn't convinced us he can do anything. He can be a QB who doesn't throw ints when hes got the best RB in the league that doesn't mean this guy should stay around.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Don't forget that the Cowboys' expectations were very high at the beginning of the season, and were considered a SB contender; whereas the Redskins were not expected to do as well as they did.

Ya well we did meet other peoples expectations of us finishing last in the east... It's not about how you do the first half the season it's how you do the whole season

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Ya well we did meet other peoples expectations of us finishing last in the east... It's not about how you do the first half the season it's how you do the whole season

Other expectations were for us to have a losing season, and we didn't. Not to mention how competitive our division was this season. I mean, come on there's a big difference between finishing last in our division and last in the NFC West (which that type of production was what was expected of us).

Regardless, my original point was to counter you defending the Cowboys saying that they were still in the playoff hunt much later in the season than we were (which I don't think we were out of the playoff that early in the season). And I was comparing the expectations by the sports media of our team and the Cowboys. The Cowboys were expected to have a season like the Giants, but they didn't. The Cowboys were the ones with all the flashy free agent acquisitions, and their owner guaranteed that they would make the playoffs. Meanwhile our team had a rookie coach, some young receivers, a questionable offensive line, and a banged up RB.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Other expectations were for us to have a losing season, and we didn't. Not to mention how competitive our division was this season. I mean, come on there's a big difference between finishing last in our division and last in the NFC West (which that type of production was what was expected of us).

Regardless, my original point was to counter you defending the Cowboys saying that they were still in the playoff hunt much later in the season than we were (which I don't think we were out of the playoff that early in the season). And I was comparing the expectations by the sports media of our team and the Cowboys. The Cowboys were expected to have a season like the Giants, but they didn't. The Cowboys were the ones with all the flashy free agent acquisitions, and their owner guaranteed that they would make the playoffs. Meanwhile our team had a rookie coach, some young receivers, a questionable offensive line, and a banged up RB.

Alright dude you don't need to get all technical about this... The bottom line is that we finished 8-8 which is bad considering we were 6-2. And about finishing last if were in the NFC west, last time I checked we lost to the worst team in the NFC west so I would say this is a season we should forget about. I know I'm sounding very negative, but I'm being negative because we got to take all those negative players or plays or calls etc. And fix them for next year, Jason Campbell and his reads is one of those things

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

Great post Paintrain.

One of the funniest things to me is for years as a fan base we bitched and moaned about our pathetic QB situation. Now we have the closest thing we've had in God knows how long to an improving, solid young (just turned 27) quarterback, and half the people want to see him either traded or benched for Colt friggin Brennan. It just baffles me. COLT BRENNAN COULDN'T BEAT OUT TODD COLLINS FOR THE #2 SPOT!!! HELLO!!??

Get your heads on straight people.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

I'm not so sure about that. Let see how things play out in training camp.

[GMScud]

Another thing that's funny is not one single peep has come from inside the Redskins that even hints at anything resembling an open QB competition in training camp. Not one. Anyone who says anything about JC not getting an extension yet knows little about the cap/CBA situation heading into 2010.

Jason was the guy going into last season, and Zorn has reinforced as much heading into this coming season. There's no competition for the starting job. If anything, it will be interesting to see if Brennan can overtake Collins for the role of #1 Clipboard Holder.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not so sure about that. Let see how things play out in training camp.

I'd bet nearly anything to say he's the #3 QB coming out of camp.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was moving too quickly through his reads and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn and Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

I've never heard zorn say that and I watched him on NBC all the time...still he was making mistakes during the 2nd half of the season and is a major factor as to why we slumped the second half of the season

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

I've never heard zorn say that and I watched him on NBC all the time...still he was making mistakes during the 2nd half of the season and is a major factor as to why we slumped the second half of the season

It was in a WP article that was written in the 2nd half sometime. I tried searching but it didn't go back that far. Bottom line is JC is going to be the QB next season. We all want him to be one of the top QB in the league, we'll see if it comes to pass but by no means is he terrible or the worst QB in the league. As poorly as our OL played in the 2nd half it's hard to judge anyone's production.