Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

[53Fan]

It really is getting insane Sammy.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by gaudiomatt

Jason Campbell is not a borderline pro bowler. He never will be. This offense will have to be built from the ground up in every area too finally get our offense moving. He generates absolutley nothing. He's going to be a passable NFL quarterback who relies way too much on the checkdown and is very athletic, he does not have potential either, well just do better and put up more points with a good oline Campbell isn't going to have great strides ever. He's been in the league for three years, showed us the exact same game he showed in college, he can be a decent QB and can win, but he is not a pro bowler and never will be. The whole league has this feeling that he has all the tools but they're taking a wait and see approach to lead a team, unfortunately there isn't much left to know about him. He's one of those guys the league is always basing his performance of expectatiosn and potential rather then just simply what it is, he's a decent QB he can be our starting QB but there's a lot of better ones out there.

I wish I had the sources you have around the "whole league". As most of the JC bashers, your analysis isn't based on any logic, stats or football knowledge. It's just a bunch of the same negative buzz-words/phrases parroted by those who want to be able to say "I told you so" when Campbell struggles. But, you same guys are going to be nowhere to be found when Campbell raises his QB rating into the 90s if we solidify the OL.

Here's the bottom line, as the OL goes, so goes any offense. If an OL struggles I don't care who is at QB, they will struggle. Peyton Manning struggled early in the year with the OL injuries in Indy. To those saying JC doesn't have the potential to be a borderline Pro Bowler, still haven't seen a valid dispute to his Pro Bowl level numbers early in the year.

To your Portis comment: see above, Portis is nowhere near the best RB in the league. He is very good, very solid, but his YPC went drastically south (just like any RBs would) when the OL broke down.

To your Moss comment: If you check, Moss was targeted more than any other Skins WR this year, so he's getting the looks. I also said the Skins WR corps was below average. This is an accurate statement. Here are the teams with better WRs than the Skins:

Giants, Cowboys, Panthers, Falcons, Bucs, Saints, Packers, Lions, Rams, Cards, Chargers, Broncos, Pats, Colts, Texans, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Browns.

These are debatable: Titans, Jets, Vikes, Eagles

That puts us as below average. Moss is not a dominant # 1 receiver. ARE is a 3rd WR at best and the rest are either unproductive rookies or career backups.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

It really is getting insane Sammy.

It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.

I think it's even more fundamental than that. There are people in the world who can't see the difference between a good argument and a bad one. They just all look the same to them. There are people who will say "Campbell is good because I want him to be good" and others who say "Campbell is good because he continues to improve in QB rating" and these arguments look the same to people: things they disagree with.

I'm really inclined to say it's more of a product of the type of media they've been exposed to than anything, but I know some people personally who definately suffer from the inability to see a bad argument...even when it's most obvious to me.

I still love my mother though

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

JC has been in the NFL what 5 years and a starter for 2. I'm tired of hearing all this different system stuff. He had more time in Zorn system than Flacco and Ryan (both true rookies) had in theirs. JC has had plenty of time, the best the Skins can hope for is that he will improve a little next year but to expect him to be a pro bowler in 4 years is unrealistic, he will never develop to that level.

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell

Sorry but yes he is the worst. And all these other QB are far superior to JC. Also our owner and GM suck and are the worst in the NFL.

I wish we had Jerry Jones as our owner
And I wish Romo was our QB especially for big game situations.

Oh and Zorn sucks he was lucky to go 8-8 his first season. Someone must have been helping him because Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we know he's a winner.

If we don't fire Zorn and Vinny. If we don't dump JC. And trade ARE. Cut JT. And start Colt in 09. Then I'm becoming a Cowboys fan!

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Sorry but yes he is the worst. And all these other QB are far superior to JC. Also our owner and GM suck and are the worst in the NFL.

I wish we had Jerry Jones as our owner
And I wish Romo was our QB especially for big game situations.

Oh and Zorn sucks he was lucky to go 8-8 his first season. Someone must have been helping him because Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we know he's a winner.

If we don't fire Zorn and Vinny. If we don't dump JC. And trade ARE. Cut JT. And start Colt in 09. Then I'm becoming a Cowboys fan!

what big game has Romo ever won? and hello to a new cowboys fan, because all of that stuff isnt happening

[53Fan]

People are taking you seriously 44. Maybe going 8-8 was a team effort?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

People are taking you seriously 44. Maybe going 8-8 was a team effort?

Sorry guys I just couldn't resist. Dmek I was joking. I just can't help but make a mockery of some of the things said sometimes. I respect them but after 100,000 post of the same old it's, well you know.



The lithium is working 53 thanks. Continue everyone.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Sorry but yes he is the worst. And all these other QB are far superior to JC. Also our owner and GM suck and are the worst in the NFL.

I wish we had Jerry Jones as our owner
And I wish Romo was our QB especially for big game situations.

Oh and Zorn sucks he was lucky to go 8-8 his first season. Someone must have been helping him because Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we know he's a winner.

If we don't fire Zorn and Vinny. If we don't dump JC. And trade ARE. Cut JT. And start Colt in 09. Then I'm becoming a Cowboys fan!

For those that can't tell, 44ever is joking here. Although I can't resist to add more comments like it (hehehe):

*Any time a new team hires a GM*
"Why couldn't we have hired this guy? Fire Vinny!"
"This guy (hired GM) wouldn't work for Snyder, no one wants to work for Snyder"

*Mindless front office bashing*
"The Redskins are in as big of a mess as the Cowboys"
"Snyder is just like Jerry Jones and he's destroying the team"
"Vinny and Snyder will f things up again and go after some big time free agent who's going to be a bust"

*And my favorite, pinning the fault of our 8-8 season on ONE thing only*
"JC sucks, he needs to be traded, he is the reason why we lost"
"Fire Blache, we need a new defense, they are the reason we lost"
"JC sucks, start Colt Brennan"
"Our defense is terrible, screw that #4 ranking, that doesn't mean sh!t"

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

For those that can't tell, 44ever is joking here. Although I can't resist to add more comments like it (hehehe):

*Any time a new team hires a GM*
"Why couldn't we have hired this guy? Fire Vinny!"
"This guy (hired GM) wouldn't work for Snyder, no one wants to work for Snyder"

*Mindless front office bashing*
"The Redskins are in as big of a mess as the Cowboys"
"Snyder is just like Jerry Jones and he's destroying the team"
"Vinny and Snyder will f things up again and go after some big time free agent who's going to be a bust"

*And my favorite, pinning the fault of our 8-8 season on ONE thing only*
"JC sucks, he needs to be traded, he is the reason why we lost"
"Fire Blache, we need a new defense, they are the reason we lost"
"JC sucks, start Colt Brennan"
"Our defense is terrible, screw that #4 ranking, that doesn't mean sh!t"

Note: The preceding statements and material have no copyright. Please feel free to copy and paste any time the need to bash your team arises.

Ruhskin44&Co.

[44ever]

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[Skins4L]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

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Nice post 44. Very thoughtful, insightful,...cutting edge type of stuff. Though I disagree with point #2, and I quote, ".",....I can understand how you would come to that conclusion.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Nice post 44. Very thoughtful, insightful,...cutting edge type of stuff. Though I disagree with point #2, and I quote, ".",....I can understand how you would come to that conclusion.

Just trying to get my point across. Not sure what happened actually. But I'm glad you where able to make sence of some of it