Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Matty,

I think you should start a new thread..."This summer, can we recapture the magic of August 2008 when Colt Brennan, Marcus Mason, and Billy McMullen stole America's hearts and guided the Washington Redskins to a 3-2 Preseason Record"

or

"Who Will Be the 2009 Preseason MVP?"

That's too funny.

Actually, the 2009 Preseason MVP idea would be a legit thread in the days leading up to the first preseason game.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guys like Danny Wuerffel looked good in the preseason too. Who cares.

Yea but not as good as Colt did. Not a great argument here.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Matty,

I think you should start a new thread..."This summer, can we recapture the magic of August 2008 when Colt Brennan, Marcus Mason, and Billy McMullen stole America's hearts and guided the Washington Redskins to a 3-2 Preseason Record"

or

"Who Will Be the 2009 Preseason MVP?"

Why? Because only other teams can have a great rookie QB. But once again the Skins can't. The old double standard. I don't see the need for this new proposed thread(s) it's patronizing.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Yea but not as good as Colt did. Not a great argument here.

I think the point is that a 3rd string QB playing well against 3rd string defenders doesn't mean much. It's better than him playing crappy against 3rd stringers I guess.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think the point is that a 3rd string QB playing well against 3rd string defenders doesn't mean much. It's better than him playing crappy against 3rd stringers I guess.

I know what you guys are saying but all I'm saying is as a backup if JC goes down it might not be a disaster. It could be a Flacco type thing. Maybe not. I just don't see why not give him the shot.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Why? Because only other teams can have a great rookie QB. But once again the Skins can't. The old double standard. I don't see the need for this thread it's patronizing.

First, the new thread suggestion is just a joke. Secondly, I think Colt certainly showed potential (or as Dirtbag likes to put it...Upside!) in his limited time on the field with and against borderline at best NFL talent in many instances. Still, strong preseason stats just aren't enough to tell us the whole story and can often be misleading.

Case in point...Bruce Gradkowski and Cleo Lemon were the best QBs during the preseason of 2006

Look, I think Colt has a lot of potential and actually could be a pretty decent NFL QB just that it's too soon to say for sure

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think the point is that a 3rd string QB playing well against 3rd string defenders doesn't mean much. It's better than him playing crappy against 3rd stringers I guess.

You have a point, but keep in mind Colt was supposed to be the next top QB and then messed up his chances in college. He was playing (so I thought) for one of the big colleges. Then screws that up with getting into trouble. His play was exceptional at the school but they let him go due to his issues he had. Hawaii picked him up and he had to learn how to play in the "Run and Shoot" style of offense. He did well in that offense also. You can blame the QB but even the pro's had trouble with the "Run and Shoot." Simply look at Warren Moon always getting sacked while playing with the Oilers, Take a look at the Falcons of old, and even the Skins when they ran the "Run and Shoot" aka..."Fun and Gun."

I'm actually rooting for JC and hope he does well but every once and a while a player comes and knocks peoples socks off. Look at Tom Brady, Bret Favre, and last years Rookie QB's for the Ravens and Falcons. Heck Favre went to the Falcons first and they didn't like his throwing motion and felt he would be no good so they traded him to the Packers. He lit it up up there. I'm sure the Falcons felt stupid for doing that. Colt may turn out to be a dud or something special I just hope coach's know what they are doing and are not trying to change his throwing motions too much either(I thought it was mentioned Zorn wanted to fix the side arm throwing motion Colt has) cause that is what has brought him to this point. Now if it will allow him to throw the ball further then so be it but I feel when you start screwing up with something a player has done all his life and still has done pretty well for himself, don't change him. Changing him may take away his accuracy or speed on the ball, or how far he can throw it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That's too funny.

Actually, the 2009 Preseason MVP idea would be a legit thread in the days leading up to the first preseason game.

Marques Hagans!

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I know what you guys are saying but all I'm saying is as a backup if JC goes down it might not be a disaster. It could be a Flacco type thing. Maybe not. I just don't see why not give him the shot.

If JC went down, I would have no issue giving Colt a shot. But the question was are we "comfortable" with the backup situation. Brennan hasn't take a single snap in an NFL game, and I was pretty clear about my thoughts on Collins. So, no, I'm not comfortable with with backup situation right now. I don't think anyone is saying Colt would be a total disaster if he was forced into action. I also don't think he would put up numbers anywhere close to last year's preseason either.

[Dblock804]

Is this going to stop?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

You have a point, but keep in mind Colt was supposed to be the next top QB and then messed up his chances in college. He was playing (so I thought) for one of the big colleges. Then screws that up with getting into trouble. His play was exceptional at the school but they let him go due to his issues he had. Hawaii picked him up and he had to learn how to play in the "Run and Shoot" style of offense. He did well in that offense also. You can blame the QB but even the pro's had trouble with the "Run and Shoot." Simply look at Warren Moon always getting sacked while playing with the Oilers, Take a look at the Falcons of old, and even the Skins when they ran the "Run and Shoot" aka..."Fun and Gun."

I'm actually rooting for JC and hope he does well but every once and a while a player comes and knocks peoples socks off. Look at Tom Brady, Bret Favre, and last years Rookie QB's for the Ravens and Falcons. Heck Favre went to the Falcons first and they didn't like his throwing motion and felt he would be no good so they traded him to the Packers. He lit it up up there. I'm sure the Falcons felt stupid for doing that. Colt may turn out to be a dud or something special I just hope coach's know what they are doing and are not trying to change his throwing motions too much either(I thought it was mentioned Zorn wanted to fix the side arm throwing motion Colt has) cause that is what has brought him to this point. Now if it will allow him to throw the ball further then so be it but I feel when you start screwing up with something a player has done all his life and still has done pretty well for himself, don't change him. Changing him may take away his accuracy or speed on the ball, or how far he can throw it.

This post is kind of confusing. First off, Colt was not supposed to be the "next top QB." He was Matt Leinart's backup for most of his high school career, and was a walk-on at Colorado before getting kicked out for some drunken excursion involving frontal nudity and fondling of a coed. He redshirted the one year he was at Colorado. Not sure where you're getting your facts, but his play was not "exceptional." I don't think he even played a single snap at Colorado actually.

Second, what does some pro QB's initially struggling in the Run and Shoot have to do with Brennan's success running that system in college?

Third, comparing Brennan's potential to the unforseen success of Brady and Favre is like a needle in a haystack. The chances for any QB (let alone a current 3rd stringer) turning into the next Favre or Brady are very remote.

Sure, there is a chance Brennan could eventually be good. I guess I'm just not sure what you're trying to say here.

[saden1]

I move for a motion for closure on thread. All in favor say aye.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

I move for a motion for closure on thread. All in favor say aye.

Here's what I propose:

There should be one thread and one thread only discussing our QB situation, be it starter or backup. And no new threads on the topic until there is some actual news to report.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think the point is that a 3rd string QB playing well against 3rd string defenders doesn't mean much. It's better than him playing crappy against 3rd stringers I guess.

i hate that argument because it ignores the fact that Brennan also had other third stringers along side him. He had third stringers blocking for him. He had third stringers catching passes from him. Also you have to remember that in a preseason game, the starters usually arent trying that hard - their primary focus is not getting hurt. 3rd stringers, on the other hand, are guys fighting for jobs. They go all out and hold nothing back.

That said, the only thing you can really read into a pre-season performance is his comfortability in a system. Looking at our backups, by all appearances, Brennan was very comfortable and Collins wasnt. We'll see how they look in pre-season this coming year.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

I move for a motion for closure on thread. All in favor say aye.

aye...