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[MTK]

I still don't get the hating on Hixon. Prior to Thomas and Kelly what other young, quality WRs has he been given to work with and develop??

You've gotta blame Thomas for most of his struggles, and Kelly had injury issues.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I still don't get the hating on Hixon. Prior to Thomas and Kelly what other young, quality WRs has he been given to work with and develop??

You've gotta blame Thomas for most of his struggles, and Kelly had injury issues.

I think it's the Anthony Mix factor. Why can UFAs like Stephon Heyer and Lorenzo Alexander make an impact, but not Mix, Toler, Mann, etc.

I also think the scenarios are far different.

Plus I think that while Hixon isn't the best option, we have much more pressing issues.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I still don't get the hating on Hixon. Prior to Thomas and Kelly what other young, quality WRs has he been given to work with and develop??

You've gotta blame Thomas for most of his struggles, and Kelly had injury issues.

SBXV11 did a good list of WR's that have been through Hixon's training here:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post523516

I think my point is with the number of receivers that have been through, and the problems we continue to have, Hixon has done nothing to merit staying. Maybe he hasn't done so bad as to be fired, but certainly when his contract is up we should look for a replacement.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SBXV11 did a good list of WR's that have been through Hixon's training here:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post523516

I think my point is with the number of receivers that have been through, and the problems we continue to have, Hixon has done nothing to merit staying. Maybe he hasn't done so bad as to be fired, but certainly when his contract is up we should look for a replacement.

But it's not like these guys have gone on to do anything anywhere else. I mean seriously that list is littered with scrubs.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But it's not like these guys have gone on to do anything anywhere else. I mean seriously that list is littered with scrubs.

That's true, but, I believe that he has not done anything that says, "Wow, what a great job" either. Some of our position coaches are the best in the league, ie Jerry Gray, and it seems like there ought to be an opportunity to upgrade there.
Plus it makes for a good sacrificial lamb for all the mental errors through the season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That's true, but, I believe that he has not done anything that says, "Wow, what a great job" either. Some of our position coaches are the best in the league, ie Jerry Gray, and it seems like there ought to be an opportunity to upgrade there.
Plus it makes for a good sacrificial lamb for all the mental errors through the season.

Can we really say he's had a lot to work with though??

I say we need to give him another year to see how Thomas and Kelly pan out.

And what about the success that Moss has had? Does he get no credit at all for that?

[CRedskinsRule]

Also Matty, in the Plackemeier thread, you looked at his stats and basically said cya, and I agree we can do better.

I looked in the NFL reference, and here are our Receiving Stats per year:
2004 - 29th
2005 - 22nd
2006 - 23rd
2007 - 15th (one good year, kinda like Placks one good game)
2008 - 22nd

Statistically we average to the 22nd place. I just think the Skins can do so much better. How many coaches have we brought in to help JC, and it has worked, in my opinion.

Stan Hixon may be good - but we can and ought to do better.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Also Matty, in the Plackemeier thread, you looked at his stats and basically said cya, and I agree we can do better.

I looked in the NFL reference, and here are our Receiving Stats per year:
2004 - 29th
2005 - 22nd
2006 - 23rd
2007 - 15th (one good year, kinda like Placks one good game)
2008 - 22nd

Statistically we average to the 22nd place. I just think the Skins can do so much better. How many coaches have we brought in to help JC, and it has worked, in my opinion.

Stan Hixon may be good - but we can and ought to do better.

In the case of the punting situation notice we're replacing the player, not the coach. It's a talent issue, not coaching. The same applies to WR, let's see what Hixon can do with some actual talent. Not some fan favorite scrubs who haven't done jack in this league for anyone before or after being a Redskin.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

In the case of the punting situation notice we're replacing the player, not the coach. It's a talent issue, not coaching. The same applies to WR, let's see what Hixon can do with some actual talent. Not some fan favorite scrubs who haven't done jack in this league for anyone before or after being a Redskin.

I know that it is different with a coach vs player, not to mention receiving stats include TE's and RB's (which only adds to the sadness when you consider Cooley's yardage drop out of the totals).

Can I ask a few questions though:
1) if we can't look at pure stats; and we dismiss the drops, wrong routes, etc as mental errors, then what criteria can we as fans look at to rate a coach. After all; we consider Jerry Gray a top notch coach, but he certainly has naturally gifted players. And Zorn was considered an excellent coach with what he did with Hasselback - but what if Zorn hadn't coached him, would he have been added to the list of "favorite scrubs" and Zorn given a pass?

2) After 5 years, what is the argument FOR keeping him? I am not trying to hate on Hixon, I am confident he is a good guy-or he would have been gone. But the defense of keeping him really seems to be: "he is here, lets keep him".

3) Can we do worse if we bring someone else in? Are we hurting the team by trying to get a top tier WR coach? Does he have a strong locker room or esprit de corps value which is understated?

4) and finally, Through massive coaching changes in the last 5 years, why does he rise above the fray?

I just want to understand what he brings to the Skins that makes him valuable enough to have, what seems like, more immunity - with much less on the field results -than many of the coaches we have released .

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I know that it is different with a coach vs player, not to mention receiving stats include TE's and RB's (which only adds to the sadness when you consider Cooley's yardage drop out of the totals).

Can I ask a few questions though:
1) if we can't look at pure stats; and we dismiss the drops, wrong routes, etc as mental errors, then what criteria can we as fans look at to rate a coach. After all; we consider Jerry Gray a top notch coach, but he certainly has naturally gifted players. And Zorn was considered an excellent coach with what he did with Hasselback - but what if Zorn hadn't coached him, would he have been added to the list of "favorite scrubs" and Zorn given a pass?

2) After 5 years, what is the argument FOR keeping him? I am not trying to hate on Hixon, I am confident he is a good guy-or he would have been gone. But the defense of keeping him really seems to be: "he is here, lets keep him".

3) Can we do worse if we bring someone else in? Are we hurting the team by trying to get a top tier WR coach? Does he have a strong locker room or esprit de corps value which is understated?

4) and finally, Through massive coaching changes in the last 5 years, why does he rise above the fray?

I just want to understand what he brings to the Skins that makes him valuable enough to have, what seems like, more immunity - with much less on the field results -than many of the coaches we have released .

I agree. I haven't seen anything to say Hixon is a great coach. I've watched him give an interview and other then being a nice guy there wasn't anything really impressive about him. I"ve heard Danny Smith called out this year even though he's done well in the past and doesn't really have much on teams. I've even heard Buges called out even though he's working with senior citizens on the o-line. You never hear anything about Hixon and our passing game sucked this year. Granted he hasn't had alot to work with but can anybody name anything good that he gets credit for? I've never heard the players or coaches even mention his name. It's not that I want to blame him for anything, I'd like to give him some credit....But for what?