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[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Suggs and Dansby are going to be tagged by their respective teams. If I had my pick, I would go with Dansby. Suggs is a terrific players, but he can be a bit of thug at times, and this is reflected in personal fouls he has committed (his favorite, roughing the passer). I guess AZ going ot the SB drove Dansby price higher, had they not gone we could've gotten him at a less expensive price. But like I said, it is a moot point b/c AZ will most likely tag him.

Given our shitty history of mismanaging draft picks, I don't want any player who has been franchised. Giving up 2 1st round picks is too much, even if it fills a need with a very good player. We need to get younger, not ship away picks - even if it is for a stud.

I believe Shane Lechler already has or will be franchised by the Raiders, meaning there's no way in hell he plays anywhere but Oakland next year. No one will give up 2 1st rounders for a punter. Now, if they franchise Asomugha again, then I'm all for pursuing Lechler.

I'm not going to make my case for any one individual, rather for a position. I think we need to draft the best tackle available at 13, or trade down for extra picks and still take the best tackle available with our 1st selection. We've got to have one of the oldest (and most brittle) O-lines in the game. Priority number 1 is build the trenches IMO.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Given our shitty history of mismanaging draft picks, I don't want any player who has been franchised. Giving up 2 1st round picks is too much, even if it fills a need with a very good player. We need to get younger, not ship away picks - even if it is for a stud.

I believe Shane Lechler already has or will be franchised by the Raiders, meaning there's no way in hell he plays anywhere but Oakland next year. No one will give up 2 1st rounders for a punter. Now, if they franchise Asomugha again, then I'm all for pursuing Lechler.

I'm not going to make my case for any one individual, rather for a position. I think we need to draft the best tackle available at 13, or trade down for extra picks and still take the best tackle available with our 1st selection. We've got to have one of the oldest (and most brittle) O-lines in the game. Priority number 1 is build the trenches IMO.

Well we can't afford to go after a franchised player or a RFA if we only have 4 picks. My case for Dansby was only if he wasn't going to get the tag, which is not going to happen.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well we can't afford to go after a franchised player or a RFA if we only have 4 picks. My case for Dansby was only if he wasn't going to get the tag, which is not going to happen.

Dansby will receive a 20% increase if the Cards tag him which means about $10 mill on the year. He isn't worth that IMHO so i think it leaves the Cards in a lousy situation.

... i wonder if the FO is looking seriously at Boley. He's very young and his drop-off in play last year doesn't make a lot of sense. Could also be a very nice value FA move.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Given our shitty history of mismanaging draft picks, I don't want any player who has been franchised. Giving up 2 1st round picks is too much, even if it fills a need with a very good player. We need to get younger, not ship away picks - even if it is for a stud.

I believe Shane Lechler already has or will be franchised by the Raiders, meaning there's no way in hell he plays anywhere but Oakland next year. No one will give up 2 1st rounders for a punter. Now, if they franchise Asomugha again, then I'm all for pursuing Lechler.

I'm not going to make my case for any one individual, rather for a position. I think we need to draft the best tackle available at 13, or trade down for extra picks and still take the best tackle available with our 1st selection. We've got to have one of the oldest (and most brittle) O-lines in the game. Priority number 1 is build the trenches IMO.

I'm not sure on the franchise tag, but the shimmy one Lechler is that he doesn't want to play for Oakland having been punched in the face by one of his DTs. I think we should actively pursue him along with Shane Mathews from The Bengals if he can be had.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'm not sure on the franchise tag, but the shimmy one Lechler is that he doesn't want to play for Oakland having been punched in the face by one of his DTs. I think we should actively pursue him along with Shane Mathews from The Bengals if he can be had.

According to SmootSmack, Asomugha is almost certainly getting franchised again by Oakland. I heard a rumor a few weeks ago that it may be Lechler getting the tag, but I guess not. If that's the case, I say make a big push for him.

And, um... Shane Matthews? Did you have a brain fart and mean to say Stacy Andrews? I'm pretty sure we already tried the Shane Matthews experiment.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GMScud

According to SmootSmack, Asomugha is almost certainly getting franchised again by Oakland. I heard a rumor a few weeks ago that it may be Lechler getting the tag, but I guess not. If that's the case, I say make a big push for him.

And, um... Shane Matthews? Did you have a brain fart and mean to say Stacy Andrews? I'm pretty sure we already tried the Shane Matthews experiment.

I meant Shayne Graham the kicker.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I meant Shayne Graham the kicker.

True. He'd be a solid pick up as well. I suggested this in a previous thread, but I wouldn't mind going after both Graham and Stacy Andrews. Andrews is 6-7, 342lbs, 27 years old, and has started 29 games in the past 2 seasons. He's Shaun Andrews brother (how massive is that family? My goodness). He's similar in age and size to Vernon Carey from Miami, although Carey hasn't missed a start in 3 years.

Either one of those guys would make me happy- that is if we don't draft a tackle. I'd really like to add two solid tackles, but because of our contract backloading we can't cut Jansen.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GMScud

True. He'd be a solid pick up as well. I suggested this in a previous thread, but I wouldn't mind after both Graham and Stacy Andrews. Andrews is 6-7, 342lbs, 27 years old, and has started 29 games in the past 2 seasons. He's Shaun Andrews brother (how massive is that family? My goodness). He's similar in age and size to Vernon Carey from Miami, although Carey hasn't missed a start in 3 years.

Either one of those guys would make me happy- that is if we don't draft a tackle. I'd really like to add two solid tackles, but because of our contract backloading we can't cut Jansen.

Both those guys are good FAs. Andrews will probably be kept from what I hear but Carey could slide our way. Seeing how RT is a gaping hole I can't see how they can draft an OT, throw him in there right away, and expect him to have success. If they do anything at RT it's going to be in FA. A FA will be able to start right away and not have to work his way up to an NFL caliber starter.
We'll have to wait until the combine to see who's the best OT. I think that Jason Smith has the most upside and Andre Smith gets beat too often. They all might be gone by the time we get on the clock. We could reach for Eben Britton but that's just too good of a pick for a 2nd round guy. They're just going up and down too much right now for me to say that's my guy.
If we don't trade down then I'd say Everrett Brown, Peria Jerry, or BJ Raji if they're still available.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Both those guys are good FAs. Andrews will probably be kept from what I hear but Carey could slide our way. Seeing how RT is a gaping hole I can't see how they can draft an OT, throw him in there right away, and expect him to have success. If they do anything at RT it's going to be in FA. A FA will be able to start right away and not have to work his way up to an NFL caliber starter.
We'll have to wait until the combine to see who's the best OT. I think that Jason Smith has the most upside and Andre Smith gets beat too often. They all might be gone by the time we get on the clock. We could reach for Eben Britton but that's just too good of a pick for a 2nd round guy. They're just going up and down too much right now for me to say that's my guy.
If we don't trade down then I'd say Everrett Brown, Peria Jerry, or BJ Raji if they're still available.

I'd be surprised if the Bengals don't work something out with Andrews, as you say. I think of Gross, Carey, Andrews, and Barnes that Barnes is the most likely to be available to us.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

True. He'd be a solid pick up as well. I suggested this in a previous thread, but I wouldn't mind going after both Graham and Stacy Andrews. Andrews is 6-7, 342lbs, 27 years old, and has started 29 games in the past 2 seasons. He's Shaun Andrews brother (how massive is that family? My goodness). He's similar in age and size to Vernon Carey from Miami, although Carey hasn't missed a start in 3 years.

Either one of those guys would make me happy- that is if we don't draft a tackle. I'd really like to add two solid tackles, but because of our contract backloading we can't cut Jansen.

I had to check and your right. To keep Jansen it's 4 mill to cut him we pay 6 mill. Next year it will be the complete opposite. However cutting Taylor and Springs alone will save us 14 mill. Taylor will cost nothing to cut or let go we just won't take on his 8.4 mill. and Springs 8.4 to keep or 2.4 to cut is worth cutting. He save us 6 mill. Then resign Hall and Rogers. Hope all the other CB we have step up to help out.